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Firefighters pull two from Vincennes, Indiana house fire. Child dies.

A child died and a woman was injured during a house fire Friday morning in the 1900 block of N. 2nd Street in Vincennes, Indiana.

From WTHI-TV:

A woman and 15-month-old Braxton Fulton were pulled from the house by firefighters. They were taken to Good Samaritan Hospital. The Knox County Coroner said Braxton later died from his injuries.

Boy dies in early morning fire: wthitv.com

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  • Robert Kramer

    Classic example of what NOT to do. I watched it twice to make sure because the video is so choppy.

    When there is a line going in the front door, you should not deploy a 2nd line to the opposite end of the house resulting in opposing lines.

    The guys on the line going through the front door were doing right. The guys on the other line……

    Like moths to the flame, these are the days of our “modern fire service”.

    Having said that, good effort by those that were inside the house trying to get it done.

  • SJBuck

    I love these guys who school everyone based on a 30 second video clip. 

    • Robert Kramer

      It didn’t even take 30 seconds, but glad you liked it.

  • Medic44

    Gotta say that Kramer is right.  Looks like the guys going in the C/D corner door forced the guys out the front.  If this isn't the case i would be interested to know what happened that kicked the ass of that one guy resting on the car. Hope he's ok.

  • Seasoned Vet

    30 seconds was enough time to show opposing hoselines in a small dwelling. Enough said.

  • 95%er

    video is gone (for now, maybe forever)
    interesting thought went through my mind. you go to a McDonalds in Maine or California, the food tastes EXACTLY the same.
    you go 10 miles away from any point and the firefighting is almost never the same.
    think about that for a moment. You can get the exact same burger 3,000 miles apart, but we can't figure out 1 standard and repeatable method of firefighting.

    • http://elaffhq.com Lt. Lemon

      Good point, 95%er.
       
      Perhaps that is because every, single McDonald's was started using the same franchise plan…developed at that one, original restaurant. Fire Departments, however, sprouted up out of the needs of the community. For decades, they had little to no interaction between regions, even between counties. Each individual area developed its own way of doing the job. In most cases, this meant that the larger, busier departments figured out the best methods (through trial and error). The smaller, slower departments had fewer chances to fine-tune their skills. Unfortunately, we still haven't gotten to the point where every department, in every region, does things in the same way. Partly out of tradition…partly out of stubborness (a point I made here:http://elaffhq.com/2011/05/07/firefighters-are-dumb/).
       
       
      Lt. Lemon

      • 95%er

        good points, but using the McD's model, some restaurants are super sized 3 story monsters, others are 2 person airport counters, some are brand new and some are 40 years old. the food tastes the same everywhere.
        we have NIMS, with first letter N meaning national. I know we can do better. I know an FDNY engine is going to be set up different than one in rural Nevada.
        but we can have more cohesiveness than divergence.  kramer is spot on.
         

        • http://elaffhq.com Lt. Lemon

          I agree with you completely on the NEED for cohesiveness. The fact is, though, that it is going to take time to get there. Especially for the change to reach those moderate to small departments, where the same person has been Chief for the past 25 years and everything is still run the way it was back then. I can say that locally, I can think of a few great examples of change in departments. It's coming slowly, it is just going to take time and repition to make it happen.

      • Pa FF

        Mcdonalds ships the same burgers, fries & apple pies to each McDonalds Restaurant and uses the eact same brand fryers, griddles, refirgerators etc.
        For the "McDonalds Theory" to work in the fire service, we'd only have 1 engine make/model available for every fire department in the nation, 1 ladder truck make/model, 1 tanker make/model etc etc every one would be the exact same–hose loads, equipment, color, crosslays etc. (Can you see where this would never work already on our end) Just like McDOnalds Fryers, griddels etc…all our equipment has to be the same nationwide.
        Then you would have to have the burgers all the same…1 house size/layout and contents in the whole USA, You'd have to have the same municipal water service everywhere in the USA….Just like McDonalds…everything has to be identical nationwide.    
        One of teh FIRST things every firefighter learnes in their training is NO 2 FIRES ARE EXACTLY ALIKE. Never were, never will be. SO go to McDonalds and have a quarter pounder with cheese and then fly to the other side of the country and have an identical quarter pounder with cheese….when you go to your next fire, if you go in expecting it to be exactly like your last one, you may wind up on a stretcher.
        The idea of a McDonalds Fire Department makes me think of clowns for some reason. Bad analogy guys.

        • http://elaffhq.com Lt. Lemon

          That's the point I was trying to make…

  • Inside the Beltway

    How do you know that the line in the rear isn't going to the seat of the fire and the line in the front isn't going to the floor above?

    • Inside the Beltway

      …or working a different area of the house? or protecting search & rescue attempts in a more survivable area of the house?

  • SJBuck

    Like I said, they know it all.  I will stop now and get on the firetruck instead of being a blogger.  (I promised myself I would never blog, guess I broke that promise)  Go back to working at McDonalds guys, I'm gonna go back to riding firetrucks and hating bloggers and people who know everything from watching videos.

    • 95%er

      dear buck: buck it up. we learn from watching and reviewing the mistakes of others. if nobody reviewed what was being done, right or wrong, we would never advance. after every job in my department, the on-duty crew walks through the joint, tells everyone what went right and what went wrong and we discuss it. i wish we had videos like this to back up our points. if all you want to do is give attaboys to each other, you will never get better.

      • Lt. SJB

        I am with you on that, we always need to learn and learn from mistakes.  I also agree that opposing handlines is a bad thing.  There are times to pick out what is bad on a call, but too often people just talk to talk.  In 1:28 of video, not one of us really knows what the situation was.  It is no different than when the public tears cops apart for using lethal force after watching several seconds of cellphone video.  Bad guys are ruthless, deadly, and unpredicable just like a fire, and to sum up what a FD does in 1:28 is just running at the mouth. 
        Using Mcdonalds is really comparing apples to oranges.  McDonalds is not emergency services where every situtation can be different.  FD's have different staffing levels, fire codes, response times, policies, ect.

  • Robert Kramer

    Beltway – none of that matters.

    If you can gain access from another point from the initial line to compliment the fire attack, okay. When you have to extinguish fire to gain access, you are not complimenting the initial line. You are combining interior and exterior lines and more than likely making conditions inside worse instead of better.

    More to your point, if the guys on the first line were doing what they are supposed to, the would be working there way to the seat of the fire which is clearly on the first floor in the C/D (for us) corner. The same point where the exterior stream was applied.

    You can what if things all day long. If your aunt had balls, she’d be your uncle.

    When it happens to you, I bet you go outside and have some words with someone, or worse….

  • Hoosier

    Wow, Monday morning quarterbacks all over this one!  Once again, short clip with little true info given.  Maybe just maybe the crew inside ran into a pack rat situation and couldnt make it to the back of the house and called for a second line to extinguish from the known entry way and area of fire. 
    As far as the guy sitting on the bumper looking tired, this could possibly be grief and him taking a moment after pulling a small child lifeless from a house fire, just a thought.
    Gotta love the professors and experts in our field.

  • Anonymous

    I was taking my twins to VU this day was so sad to hear that the little one didnt make it . bless the family in this time of need

  • ricko

    This house was split up into two apartments….they were not opposing lines… I was there..fire attack was coordinated..geeze…get a life.

    • Anonymous

      i live next door . was not apartments  single family dwelling

  • Pa FF

    THANK YOU RICKO!!!!  God I am so sick of keyboard firefighters talking out their B U T T keys. Once again, some posters words of wisdom usually turn out  to be uninformed speculation. Any good firefighter upon arrival does a 360. You guys come on here and do a 2………………….and it shows.
    Now after reading ricko's on scene information, everyone go back and see who runs with McDonalds FD and who doesn't. (Them red boots are awfully big Ronald)

    • http://elaffhq.com Lt. Lemon

      I prefer running with the King. He's a damn good truckie…

    • the dude

      all can be said at the :54 sec. mark….let's look at the big picture everyone
      Great job VFD

  • TOMMY

    YOU MCFIREFIGHTERS ARE MAKING ME HUNGRY MAN!!!!!…. GREAT EXCHANGES ON THIS ONE GUYS… ITS NEAT TO SEE HOW TWISTED SOME CAN MAKE AN ANALOGY ABOUT A SPECIFIC TOPIC OR SITUATION. GO WITH IT GUYS… OPEN FORUM HAS ITS PLACE FOR THOSE THAT SEEK MCENLIGHTMENT WITH THEIR FRIES AND SHAKE.

  • sabrina huddlestun

    i saw the house go up in flames it was so scary

  • Lisa Altman

    it was so sad it still is im glad ppl our helpin wit the family's needs it so sad to just drive by there and see the cross and stuff animals for tat lil boy wish the family luck and sry bout ur loss