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Helmet-cam: Stockton, CA house fire.

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Christmas comes early for the STATter911.com KICs (keyboared incident commanders). It’s been a long dry spell for them. I believe June was the last time we posted a fire video from Stockton, California. Our KICs, as many of you know first hand, are very tough critics. But based on a few videos we’ve posted, they have been giving high marks for the suppression activities of the Stockton Fire Department. Will the trend continue?

This video, from at least two different cameras, shows fire in the garage of a single-family home. The clip was posted to YouTube on Wednesday but I couldn’t find the date or exact location of the fire.

Here’s some of the description with the video posted by :

An 1 ¾” liveline was pulled and attack was made from the interior door to the garage. Crews contained the fire to the garage, with minimal damage to the living area of the home. The video shows a liveline attacking the vehicle exposed by the fire, but was never used as an opposing hose stream.

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  • RJ(in florida)

    when you have a hydrant right in front of the fire building, you know its going to be ok, but you need to leave space for the ladder truck. The fire attack was nice, attached garage fires can go 2 ways based on how its attacked and these guys did it right. based on fire volume, i would have gone with a duce and a half in the door for a quicker kill but the 1-3/4 did fine

  • mark

    So, are we going to queue the “They should have used a 2 1/2″ on that fire, that was way too much fire for an 1 3/4″ or if one is used properly, that BS goes away?

    Nicely disciplined crews. The outside line only hit the car and eaves, never went inside the actual garage.

    In my area, a quick blitz to remove some BTU’s would have been a good call, because we don’t have near the manpower they do, but great job as usual.

    • RJ(in florida)

      Mark, part of being one of the authorities in the KIC arena is the understanding that you must READ what i typed because like everyone else…its just my opinion…and if it happens to be right (good for me) and if i’m wrong, i’ll learn something and be honorable enough to say i’m sorry

      “I would have gone with a duce and a half for a quicker kill but the 1-3/4 ddi fine” is what i wrote and for you to hammer me for what “I” would have done is not 2-1/2 BS. its just me saying what “I” would have done.

      they did a good job with the 1-3/4, nobody got hurt and thats that

      • mark

        FWIW, that was typed before Dave posted your reply. I just knew that there would be some (Rudemutt mainly) who would say that the only way to extinguish this amount of fire would be via a 2 1/2″.

        Why I used “BS” is because of what we see in this fire. Despite all the arguing further down the line, this fire went out dang quick, because these guys knew how to use an attack line.

        The garbage about going through the front door causing the fire to be drawn to the front door is just that, garbage. And shows someone who is book smart, but has little to no on the job experience. These guys had the fire out before it was able to be drawn to the front door. Because they knew what they were doing. They attacked from the unburnt side–as we are taught–to prevent further spread. Mainly when using an attack line.

        As for pushing the fire, if the BTU’s are overcome by the volume of water (this means extinguishing the fire) how can one push the fire? IF we are to use straight streams or solid bore nozzles to disrupt the heat (cool the temps) along the ceiling during potential flashover conditions, how can we say that fire will be pushed?

        If fire is pushed by a hose stream, then how do fires go out? This nonsense by some of these guys that state fire will always be pushed no matter what is beyond belief. Because as I stated, if we have enough volume of water to overcome the BTU’s being produced, the fire is extinguished. Or are some of you guys really saying that we’re pushing the fire from the unburnt to the burned area and taking away its fuel?

        I’m thinking that there are quite a few here who really don’t understand the first thing we learn in our fire classes, the fire triangle or tetrahedron.

        I’m not even going to get into the PPA debate.

        So RJ, it wasn’t directed specifically at you. And if you’ll notice, I even stated that based on our manpower, we probably would have performed a transitional attack.

  • Bob Sacamento

    These guys from Stockton get the job done efficiently. Every video I see from them shows them flaking the line properly and moving in on the fire with purpose, they obviously train often. Keep up the good work Stockton, others should learn by your example.

  • Bob Sacamento

    Another thing these guys knocked down a decent fire in the garage and a car fire plus protected the interior in less than 6 minutes. I have seen videos longer than 6 minutes just for a car fire.

  • Eric

    These guys know how to (KIC) some major a$$!!!!

  • http://none Engine 5er

    One line knocks down fire for just a bit then heads inside to protect the exposure. Another line knocks down fire from exterior. A great video showing how to to quickly and effectively put out an attached garage fire with interior and exterior handlines.

  • Capt Dick

    Come on Stockton, these East coasters don’t wanna see this. Zzzzzzzz. No evac tones, bailouts, 400 foot leader lines, no flash overs, backdrafts, or collapses. No prayers for the injured ” brothers “. Boring!!!!

    • mdff

      Captain Dick, always with the positive reinforcement. As one of these Eastcoaters it is always refreshing to see a fireground go the way you plan and train. Stockton has always presented their department as very competant and this video is more proof of their abilities. Keep up the good work and stay safe.

  • CDM

    Fire took place at 0456 hours on November 10, 2012. Suger Creek Ct is located in southwest Stockton.

  • Former Chief

    No disappointment here. Everyone knowing their job and moving with a purpose. Just when I thought they should get a line on the car, there it was. Knock down in about 5 minutes on a well involved fire. Another good job by Stockton in my opinion.

  • Fire21

    I think a lot of depts would have pulled a 2-1/2 on this. But it just goes to show that properly trained personnel can extinguish a lot of fire with smaller, more maneuverable hose lines. The attack from inside the living area saved a lot of damage in there, as the write-up explained. And ignoring the car till other matters were taken care of was proper, since there was no saving the car anyway. Well done, again, Stockton…Lead on!!

  • Rudedawg

    That large preconnected thing that sits on the top of almost every fire engine made in the U.S.A. What is that thing used for? Once it is aimed, how many people does it take to use? Does it take away any BTU’s? What is that big handline preconnected to the rear discharge for? When does my luck run out? When we have the tools and people to use them, WHY do we choose not to?

  • Chief 55

    typical 2 car garage is like 24′ by 24’? That is 576 square feet, if fully involved would only require 192pgm. Typical 1 3/4″ line flows 150pgm, should be plenty of water to handle the garage. Great job Stockton FD!

  • Shhh…

    Stockton always provides us Statter911 readers with some good aggressive firefighting from the west coast. Keep up the good work and stay safe.

  • Curly from CT

    Another great peek at Stockton!!!! The “anti-PA”!!! Nicely done brothers. You Did not let us down. Keep up the great work.

  • Rudedawg

    Would a flow of 1000gpm from a master stream put out a 24 x 24 garage more quickly and easier than the 192 gpm required? Would the 250 gpm from a large hand line put out the same 24 x 24 garage quicker than 1he 150 gpm handline? Would a combined attack from the 1000 gpm stream AND the 2.5″ line put out the garage quicker than the 150 gpm line? Is there a rule that says we must only meet the target fire flow?

    • FTM-PTB

      Go ahead buddy. Flow all that water and push all that shit in the residence. Protect life and uh…property right? Stay outside, stay clean, lob some water on it, it will go out. That seems to me, (I could be wrong)what you are hinting. Some of us still take some pride in aggressively fighting fire in a safe and efficient manner. Some of us take pride in preserving what we can for those that pay our salaries. Some of us take pride in being firemen. I’m not trying to rant or belittle but it is frustrating to see someone degrade great work. Attacking a garage fire from the inside and protecting the living quarters is the goal here. Quick, aggressive and mobile. The 1000 gpm comments and all the 2 1/2 talk scream inexperience. Like Chief 55 stated, you’d be amazed what an experienced firemen can do with a 1 3/4.

      • commenter

        Get with the times. Pushing fire is a wive’s tale. If you hit fire with 500 gpm, it doesn’t get pushed, it gets extinguished.

        Opening the front door to stretch a line to the baement-to-house door will pull it into the house, though.

        The ideal attack would be pump and roll from a 500-1000 gpm bumper turret, starting at 0 seconds, but in the real world, pulling a blitzline would be ideal. Second best would be to pull one of those 250 gpm 1.75″ lines that the Vindicator nozzle allows, especially with some sort of Class A foam. First crew hits it hard from the sidewalk, second crew performs textbook Positive Pressure Attack from the front door, pressurizing and protecting the habitable areas of the house while extinguishing any extension and protecting any search.

        • Toby Trana

          Pushing fire is not a wife’s tale. The “fact” that it doesn’t is made up by risk managers and manufactures wanting to sell gadgets .
          Water streams especially non solid move massive amounts of air. Pushing whatever is in front of it, “like FIREGASSES”. Ever heard of venting with a nozzle? Been on the business end of apposing streams? Had to work against a line being flown from the outside while inside? Why can’t you put a hose in the hole cut in the roof. Whoops in your world that would be forbidden to. Going on roofs and cutting holes. How barbaric!
          What about the water as it turns to steam? Expands 1700 times right? That creates PRESSURE! Enough in fact to push a million pound STEAM Locomotive. Where does that pressure go when there is a 500-1000 gpm stream moving air on one side? INTO THE HOUSE!
          How does a blast furnace work? Heat + Fuel + a fan “blower”.

          Water from outside is going to get civilians killed and PPA will get Firemen killed.

          If you are salesman go pedal your wares to another industry . If you are in the fire service get some experience with real fires and get some intestinal fortitude. stop trying to lower the fire service to your comfort or cost level.

          • Commenter

            You can’t deny the empirical data. Well, you can, but that makes you an idiot.

          • Anonymous

            @ Toby Trana: The only thing I sell is sound firefighting tactics. I can proudly say that in my long fire service career I have never been injured due to smart thinking of very effective fire tactics. Those U.L. tests don’t lie! Scientifically tested, under controlled conditions and retested again for accurate results. They should dropped going in, opened up 2 1/2″ deckgun. If you use the the smoothbore you won’t have that steam problem that you so eloquently stated.

            By the way, I hear your new fire chief is pushing for such new operating tactics. Smart man, very smart.

          • Ricci

            Classic….Tob

          • Koy Wilson

            Toby,
            Dont argue with idiots, they’ll drag you down to there level and beat you with experience.

            To all others…I have already posted this several times but it looks like it will take a few more. To critique someone on a blog or through any other of our trade publications through anonymity or nicknames is COWARDLY! Sign your name and own your comments.

        • 8truck

          Textbook? When does that happen in the real world. I have the perfect video of a failed attack plan like you have listed. Let me know if you would like to see it.

          • FTM-PTB

            Hey Commenter, the fact that you use the term,” empirical data”, on a firefighting website is criminal. Leave the firefighting to people who actually do it. Pump and roll a house fire? Are you serious? The fact I’m even responding to this is retarded because it’s obvious you have no idea of what garbage you are spewing. Just stick to pencil pushing and reading your new age books of applying water,(a liquid) to fire,(something hot) from the outside. Your turnouts you wear and the stickers on your car do not make you a fireman. But I do appreciate your comments. It started my day with a laugh!!

          • Commenter

            I love videos. Let’s see it.

    • Dmgdriver

      I just want to be sure of your train of thought Dog, Rather than use a manageable handline as an interior attack, stopping the fire in it’s tracks doing a minimum of damage to the interior of the house, you would prefer to hit it with a master stream, pushing fire and water into the home? Contractors must love seeing you pull up to a fire scene.

      • commenter

        Time to brush up on your fire knowledge: water doesn’t push fire, it extinguishes it. Proven in UL studies. Advancing a handline through the front door will draw fire to the front door, again, proven in UL studies. The correct answer is to hit it from the sidewalk and then quickly reposition to the interior.

        • bereal2us

          I guess life safety & property consevation is a thing of the past. With your tactics, citizens will lose more. I read your comments & nowhere do you mention this. Great theory, steam whoever is inside if the door or sheet rock fail or further damage the home. Pump and roll, is this wildland or urban firefighting. Lack of experience in the fire service today is producing some hair raising tactics.

          • Commenter

            Over 20 years experience in urban (>500,000) east coast firefighting. Never told you to put it on wide fog.

  • slackjawedyokel

    Goes to show that two handlines working from opposite directions—–doesnt neccessarily mean “opposing” handlines

  • CLT_FF

    Complete turn around from that Fatal PA fire fiasco I saw last night on here. Goes to show you…go in, find the fire and knock it out. In the same time it took Stockton to flake out, mask up, check pattern, enter and put water on the fire…that PA Department was still walking in circles in the front yard playing the PPE game while the structure flashed. Great job Stockton, text book.

  • PenguinMedic

    Once again an awsome job by the Brothers in Stockton!

  • cbj

    Perhaps the “typical garage” may be 24 x 24, as if anything can be considered “typical” but does that account for the contents (fuel loading), the vehicle, the fuel in the vehicle and the REST of the exposed property? I guess if your fortunate enough to have such plentiful staffing on scene so quickly why not pull a line for every other firefighter? Its when you arrive with maybe a handful, 4 or or so that screwing around with a handline intended for a room or two at best (by today’s fuels)is when you need to rethink your efficiency. I gotta wonder why engines even carry anything other 1.75″ anymore in the first place, same with the master streams. It’s all in how quickly you can deploy your most appropriate (effective) weapon. As I said before, are you doing the best by engaging in battle or trying to over-power the fire and make quick work of it? Really though, all that aside, it was nice work. I sometimes wonder if anyone who was around 30 years or so ago when the 1.5″ was replaced with the 1.75″ really understood the reason for the change.

  • CDM

    @Ruderdawg your approched is comparible to cutting of one’s arm to address a hang nail. Rediculous.

  • http://storyinmemo.com Jeff

    I think in the last Stockton video, I joked about how Stockton doesn’t get to do anything because when they show up the fire puts itself out.

    I see tons of videos on here and wonder why they don’t deck gun it to start, or why there’s a bunch of fire and no hose line nearby.

    Stockton did it right, again. 1 3/4″ lines knocked it down in moments. Two lines worked one fire at once, preserved attached structure, and didn’t interfere with each other. I aspire to do work like that. Actually, I just moved to the Bay Area, so I think I’ll drop on in and say hi.

  • hoseman77

    Its nice to see good K.I.C.’s or just good ole critiquing, but to the many comments I see about the great staffing that Stockton Fire supposedly has, here are the numbers.
    Stockton population= 350,000 people
    Stockton FD Engine Co. 12
    Stockton FD Truck Co. 3
    Downstaffed from 4 to 3 per Engine/Also down 1 Engine Co.
    Downstaffed from 5 to 4 per Truck/Also down 1 truck Co.
    Responds to 40,000 calls a year with 300+ working Structure Fires a year…..PRICELESS!

    • Commenter

      Sounds like they should go to 12 quints with 4 men each. St Louis specs a 75′ that is a better engine than half the engines out there.

      • LaidOffJake

        Man, now I know you’re trolling… No one likes residential deck guns AND Quints…

  • Rudedawg

    Simple questions, priceless answers. Does 1000 gpm put out fire quicker than 150 gpm?Yes. What says that a quick hit with the gun is wrong? It won’t “push” the fire. The gun is the quickest attack line available. Stockton does nice aggressive work. I’m just bringing about a different viewpoint. Isn’t that the reason we discuss these things. When that hangnail gets gangrene, and you lose your arm; you’ll understand.

  • cbj

    Agreed. My commets are not specific to the work in this clip, more like generalizations on trends, so to speak. The goal IS to put the fire out. Not stand and battle it while it continues to burn and damage. What some may consider a “save” is questionable. Possessions; contents and structure preservation is ultimately the objective, right after life preservation. Fire damage, and the damage from fire fighting is not seperate in the end. Overhaul, smoke spread, water, ventilation all add to damages the fire has done prior to our arrival and prior to our efforts to suppress. Sometimes it seems that the desire to ply our trade; fire FIGHT may take precedence over the objective to extingusih fire quickly. We embrace technology at times and pride ourselves on moving forward with new apparatus and tech rescue gear, extrication equipment and the like. Yet the fire dynamics are changing and our so-called “bread n butter” routine stays the same. With exceptions of course, local firefighting tactics are handed down through generations starting at the begiining of a career, the fire academy. Soon it is accepted that a particular procedure is the way to do buisness, as it has been used for decades for firefighting, and department pride sometimes gets in the way of practicality. If we have “always” done it is this way, with a certain hose size, nozzle or configuration we accept it as gospil. Fires go out eventually, and most of us, myself included have done some pretty fine work against the odds. The point is not to condemn or berate, dismiss or minimize the absolute ballsy efforts of some of the finest and most experienced firefighters. Rather lets put down our guard and look at reality. It’s not that we are not capable of engaging battle with maybe a lesser caliber tool and accomplishing the mission. The fact is some of us are not grasping the need to up the flow rates to TRY to stay AHEAD of the fire. In many cases the building construction in cities may stay the same. It’s the materials used for re-furbishment and the contents that defy our most often less than 180 gpm application. Add to that, new construction and rebuilds. Grandma’s house may stay the same. Maybe her plastic covered furniture may be nasty, but she hasn’t upgraded anything in decades. We can contain a room or two or even trhee with that lesser line and move in and make progress. The new rancher at the outskirts of town with the three kids and mon and dad being “techies” is the game changer. You gonna drag a 2.5″ through that house? Probabaly not. Can we? Yes. With a hit, shut, move, hit approach. But maybe the answer may be with some of the newer hose that “swells” just a bit…or dare I say…something maybe a little bigger? Or AT LEAST actually flow test your pumps, ALL the discharges and nozzles on all your apparatus. Many of you will be surprised your mathematical formulas may not be reality. Despite maybe moving to a 2″ line, it would not replace the 2.5″ in my opinion. Use when needed. It should be obvious when that is. Somebody posted the 2.5″ was “dangerous”. That is absurd! The training, or lack of it behind that statement is what is dangerous.