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Raw video: FDNY knockdown at Brooklyn fire.

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Neighbor Sidney Mott posted this to YouTube Wednesday with no details.

Always good for an answer to life’s unknowns,‘s Bill Carey tells me this fire was in fact on Wednesday and occured at 1441 Pacific Street, near Nostrand and Atlantic on Box 948.


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  • Unreal

    They had more guys on the first line, then I’d have on scene for the whole fire.

  • livindadream

    Aggressive, quick and efficient knock down. Incredible Job! I wonder… would a bumper turret have been faster?

    • Commenter

      Video starts with two units on the scene, tower ladder with it’s jacks down and coming out of the bed. Nozzleman opens up from the top of the stoop, you can see it at 0:02.

      So, whatever time it took for two apparatus to arrive, disembark their personnel, ‘back stretch’ an attack line, disconnect the attack line and connect it to the discharge, charge the line, etc. was time that the bumper-turret-equipped FD would have been flowing water from the same direction and through the same doorway.

      Now, if FDNY switched to a bunch of 5-6 man bumper-turret-equipped quints they could double the number of firehouses they have staffed, and reduced the response time by another 1-2 minutes, at the same cost of staffing 2/3ds of their stations with two companies, as they do now.

      So, yes, a bumper turret would have been faster.

      • Fire21

        Like any other tool at our disposal, a bumper turret can be useful. Personally, I wouldn’t have used one on this fire, but if your experience tells you to use it, then by all means do so. We each have preferences, and some may be better than others, but nothing works all the time. Kinda like the medical field, we’re “practicing” firefighting.

  • Anonymous

    clear the stairs

    • Mack Seagrave

      In N.Y.C. that is called a ‘front stoop’ rather than stairs. The folks in the ‘conga line’ can only advance as quickly as the nozzle firefighter does. Remember, the person with the knob is frequently taking the brunt of the abuse from the fire, it’s generally not obvious to we who watch the video exactly what he / she is being confronted with inside the fire building. Those of us who have done this job many times have a pretty good idea, those who haven’t been there will just have to take the word of those who have… Nice, aggressive job by the Brothers…

  • Fire21

    I saw all those guys on the stairs, and immediately thought of the movies of medieval days where they all got a big log and did the battering ram routine! LOL.

    I also looked at all the parked cars and figured that must be a government building…they’re all black!

    I agree with Unreal…we never see that many guys on a scene. But then, we don’t have interconnected buildings like that either.

  • FOBS

    Bumper turrets…..maybe they could call the airport and order up a CFR rig.

    Bumper turrets.

    • CHAOS

      Yeah, “that guy” and his bumper turrets; don’t forget the pump-n-roll capability. When it was mentioned that the bumper turret would be useless if the engine pulled past the address to leave room for the truck, his response was have the engine stop short of the fire and just get longer ladders for the trucks (oh, and train the truckies to do their job better!). But, don’t forget he gave a great example of a FD program to back up his bumper turret philosophy. Oops, that FD doesn’t use bumper turrets. Oops.
      So, from the man who famously once said we should use foam on every call because “water is expensive”, we’ve been given:
      Pump-n-roll engines (now changed to quints)
      Bummper turrets
      200′ (or so) straight aerial ladders
      Foam on every call for every hose stream.

      Wow. And he thought water was expensive.
      On the flip side, he actually referred to them as FDNY for a change. Must be the new meds.

      • FOBS

        All of our engines have pump and roll capabilities, just not on structure fires

        And we use class A foam on fires but no bumper turrets…..that’s what the Air Guard Fire Dept at the air terminal is for.

        Bumper turrets.

      • FireGears

        Poor ol’ ChaosBetweenTheEars,

        Obviously not the same Fireman, as shown by his respect for NYFD….
        The best 1950’s FD on the east coast

        Yes, still advocating a “fire extinguishing agent” in every hose stream because water IS expensive to deliver on a fire and manpower is becoming more and more limited.

        Nice to know I’m still living rent-free in your mind,
        but always glad when you bring me to your party.
        The occasional exposure of your gentle side must thrill your life partner.

    • commenter

      185 gpm flowed through the front door from the top of the stoop isn’t as effective as 300 gpm flowed through the front door from the street 2 minutes earlier. Everything else after two minutes could be exactly the same: line stretched, ladders raised, building vented, search underway – just that the bulk of the fire was knocked down 2 minutes earlier.

      • FireGears

        So True, Commenter.!!!

        Now, add a fire extinguishing additive to that 300 rpm flowed from the street and
        make the water more effective by 4 to 8 times and you’d really see the fire’s arse kicked.!!!

        There are products which produce VERY effective knockdown without a much steam production thus protecting FF’s and trapped victims alike. Check out FIREICE.

  • Don Moorhead

    Nice fast work by 111’s bucket, and the roof men from the other aerial reaching the roof quickly. Engine Companies on the step are making the push, although packed on the steps. Not sure, but it could be THE Rescue trying to get by, or Truckmen trying to make a search. Fast aggressive work !

  • cappy

    Where’s the attack from the unburned side keyboard firefighters??? Not LOL…. Really???

  • http://msn retiredinsc

    JHC, all of the guys on the stoop. I thought that they were waiting in line for a movie.

  • Anonymous

    Sound engine company operations, truck company operations could use some work. You know you have members operating on upper floors and not one ladder is thrown. Sure the tower can move into operation quickly, however it is always nice to have a ladder at a window when your bailing out.

  • Northern Chief

    How about ground ladders? Didn’t see many of them for rescue or firefighter egress…..Good job though

  • Ladderman

    Commentor, how about we just forget about the water all together. Let’s replace pumpers with bull dozers and ladder truck with cranes and wrecking balls and be done with it.

    • Commenter

      Because I am describing ways tu put water on the fire FASTER, saving lives and property.

      The pipe man on this fire extinguished the fire from the front stoop. How could 2-3 minutes earlier from the street be worse?

      • Mack Seagrave

        COMMENTOR: This wasn’t simply a doorway fire. The nozzle firefighter started knocking down fire from the stoop and then pushed in and continued to extinguish fire in the public hallway and then into the fire apartment. This fire was definitely not one that would be properly fought using a bumper turret, deck pipe or elevated master stream.

        • Commenter

          I’m not suggesting that everybody sit outside and watch the turret. I’m suggesting that the driver or officer aim and operate the turret on approach and arrival, and once set carry on with getting a line in place. Everyone else can continue to do their jobs as well.

    • AbsoluteReality

      Often thought a wrecking ball off a heavy duty Ladder Truck
      would bring a whole new meaning to “forcible entry”.

      Vent the roof.??? BOOM.!! Done.!

      Garage rollup stuck.?? BAM.!!! Open.!

      Front door locked.?? STAND BACK.!!!

  • Tipman49

    PROPERTY CONSERVATION is what you get by not using a turret gun

  • TramperJohn

    How much response time would FDNY save by cutting the 6th fireman on every fire trucks? Waiting for that last guy to get on the fire trucks is a real killer.