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Raw video: Two dead in DC house fire. Two firefighters hurt.

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WUSA9.com:

Two people have died in a fire at 1704 R Street SE on Tuesday morning. There is also a report one firefighter broke a leg and another suffered an injury to the shoulder.

Image by Brian Hopkins of WJLA-TV/ABC7

Firefighters found heavy fire showing from the middle of the row four-unit apartment building. At one point, firefighters were ordered out of the building to attack the fire from outside the building.

WRC-TV/NBC4:

Firefighters arrived to find the building at 1704 R St. SE fully engulfed in flames, and were forced to retreat when the fire became too intense and spread to the two adjacent buildings.

It took 75 firefighters to extinguish the blaze, which was put out shortly after 11 a.m.

When firefighters re-entered the building they found the bodies of two people inside. Their identities have not yet been released.


IAFF Local 36 photo.

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  • Anonymous

    First and foremost prayers to the injured firefighters and hope they can return to work soon. However after watching that video DCFD is very lucky there were only two injuries and not many more. DCFD needs to take a seriious step back and take a look at the way they operate and safety guidelines.

    • pipeman

      And how can you tell that by this video?

  • Anonymous

    You got all that from 1 minute and 16 seconds of video?

    Prayers to the Brothers for a speedy recovery !

  • Brokenhearted

    Anonymous are you trolling? Because what I see is a bunch of dudes standing outside of a building in defensive operations, and then the fire out and guys milling around?

  • SUGAR

    you guys like to comment on things after the fact and have no idea of timelines or context. the 3rd chief did an excellent job. i was there. the brother got hurt doing his job. that is what we do. it happens. so take your po-dunk comments and save them for your local po-dunk thread. that is all for now. stand by.

  • Dirk Diggler

    Ok… I will take this one! First I do work for this great Fire Department and have, for over 17 years. I will start by saying; I am thinking of my brothers and their families’s & thank them for their heroism and dedication. May they have a full and speedy recovery. NOW to this “Troll” I must say, that I was not on the scene, I have no idea what happened and I have talked with no one, as of yet … BUT, this is what I would call a typical DC FIRE… By that, a TWO story middle of the row, exposure issue and finished rear porches… Fire on the top floor, let’s just say, thru-out, the entire second floor… & your friking POINT… This fire, should be put out with TWO, maybe three attack lines maybe, the third line just spraying water around acting like they are doing something… I really don’t see the problem… I would put our SOG’S up against anyone in the country… What we do and how we do it works well for us… It has in My 17 years, fifty years before me and long after me… As long as everyone does their JOB… I must tell you, that I am HUMBBLED, to have worked with some of the best firefighters around, a lot of them have retired and moved on, we still have a few, not many, but a few… & we are working to train some new ones, it’s hard to find them these days… but we keep looking… DCFD is- an always will be, an AGGRESSIVE FIREFIGHTING DEPARTMENT!!!The BEST way to put a FIRE out, is from the inside, and when the fire goes out… Everything gets better… Firefighting is dangerous, it says it on the inside of my gear, so I need to take their word for it…I could sprain my ankle, just getting off the apparatus, just last week, I got a paper cut at the watch desk, the week before, I got a headache brining my Target Safety up to speed… So, no matter what we are doing, cleaning the firehouse or putting out a well advanced fire, people are going to be injured. So all the arm chair, safety vest wearing wanna be firefighters out there… Step aside, a FIREMAN IS WORKING HERE!!! By the way, did you see all those fu#king ground ladders, GREAT JOB!

  • Commenter

    From WJLA:

    “As residents gathered, many wondered about the response to the fire.
    “It took them awhile the get water,” witness Joetta Fluella said.
    Some residents say it took fire crews several minutes to be able to get water to the building.
    Kachina Jackson, who also witnessed the fire, said, “One of the chiefs came running down the alley, saying, ‘We need water now…’”

    I know that the public is usually a horrible judge of times, but the chief in the alley yelling for water is a clue that things didn’t go right…

    Perhaps the fact that Engine 2 and Engine 6, both from northwest, seem to be the first two fire engines in the front of the building, as seen in Pat Collins’ video and the WaPo photographs. I see DCFEMS Paramedic Engine Program is paying real dividends.

    The city seems to be committed to a Los Angeles county -style ALS first response, BLS transport plan. I wonder if IAFF Local 36 will negotiate the conversion of 6-8 of its Paramedic Engines into 12-16 Paramedic Squads, just like Johnny and Roy. Just don’t pick all of the engines east of the river to be converted, we see how that works. I doubt they’ll be happy about losing 33-odd union-staffed ambulances to private services, though.

    Finally, it seems that if Rescue 3, Ladder 7, and whichever other ladder truck was in front of Engine 2 all carried pump, tank, and hose, perhaps water would have gotten onto that fire earlier, and just maybe, those two squatters wouldn’t be dead. LACoFD uses a bunch of quint-tillers, maybe DC can jump on their bid.

    • DCfireman

      Your facts are completely wrong. Engine 2 was on the working fire dispatch and Engine 6 was on the second alarm. Neither were even on the initial box assignment. The box was definitely messed up due to 3rd Battalion companies on medicals but they weren’t part of that. If I’m not mistaken the box was E-8, 18, 10, 27, 13 T-7, 13 RS-3.

      Quints are a terrible idea in my opinion. The PEC program needs to be fixed but quints are a band aid that will eventually fail. They have failed in numerous other large cities already. St Louis being an obvious one.

      • Commenter

        Sorry to let you know DCFireman, but something like 80% of aerials are quints these days. It’s almost criminal to buy a $750,000 ladder truck, spend $2.0 Million A YEAR staffing it and not specify that it can actually put out a fire. It’d cost another $50-75k on the purchase price, next to nothing compared to the already committed staffing costs when amortized over the 10 year life of the vehicle.

        St. Louis is still buying quints. They bought 1 engine. Richmond is still buying quints. Care to back up your claim? That quints have ‘failed’ in other large cities? I’ll name one city where engines failed: Washington, DC. The engines were somewhere else when they needed them on R street.

        Looking at a map, it seems that Engine 15, Engine 19, and Engine 32 would be closer than Engine 8. If RS-3 (four minutes away) had a squad apparatus like they use in FDNY, or a rescue engine like they use in Fairfax, or anywhere else, for that matter, they’d have had water on the fire much faster than Engine 8 (eight minutes away). If Truck 16 had a ‘Quiller’, like they use in Los Angeles County, or a quint like they use in Arlington, VA; Richmond, VA; or St. Louis, MO, they could have had water on the scene from six minutes away, if they weren’t busy.

        All told, putting a pump and tank on every piece of apparatus the DC FEMS operate would reduce the time to get water on the fire by several minutes in the case of this fire, and likely many other fires, at almost no cost to the city. These minutes will save lives.

        Putting a pump, tank, and hose on 6 ladder trucks lets the city close 6 four-man fire engines, and use those people to staff 12 two-man Paramedic Squads in lighter duty, more efficient utility trucks. That means that the three Paramedic Engines nearest this fire would be BLS Engines sitting in quarters rather than ALS engines sitting on medical calls. I’m sure in a city with 33 engines, they could afford to cut 6. Certainly they could afford to cut 6 engines, distributed around the city, better than they can afford to send 3 fire engines to sit on medical calls in one part of the city.

        • DUMB

          oooo thats real smart. close 6 engine companies (that carry water and hose) and open up 12 paramedic squads (that don’t carry water and hose).

          Quints are an abortion to the fire service. that simple!

          • Commenter

            Close 6 fire engines that carry water.
            Convert 17 trucks to carry water.
            Convert 3 rescue engines to carry water
            Open 12 paramedic squads to carry ALS
            Stop running fire trucks up and down the street for medical calls (except the 20% that might maybe need them)

            Go from 33 water carrying engines, 10 of which are waiting for the paramedic to finish assessing their patient to 47 water carrying fire apparatus of all types, 3 of which are waiting for an ambulance. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

    • DCFD

      Genius ideas as usual commenter. I’ll swing by and talk to Ellerbe today to see if we can implement your plans by tomorrow morning. Man, I wish we had you on our team everyday so we could be a top notch firefighting operation. We’ll just have to make do with the limited information we get on here from time to time and keep wishing we were doin it “bumper turret style” from the front of a quint in the meantime.

      • Commenter

        Hah. The internet expression is “Butthurt”.

        You can’t argue that whatever masters of their craft they think they are*, the firefighter/EMTs of the DC FEMS can’t do much when the 3 closest engines are on medical calls. We give Podunk FD a hard time when they take 2 minutes to get water in their line; I give Detroit a hard time when they do the same. What makes you think that DCFEMS is going to get a pass when it takes them 4 minutes longer than it should just to drive to the scene?

        Maybe instead of sick outs over jackets, stickers, and “DCFD”, the public might listen if you were to protest dismal fire and BLS response times.

        Maybe if you asked to reallocate resources to reflect the demands of 2013 and not 1940, you’d get the public’s ear. Here’s a suggestion for your 350 on-duty personnel: 20 overhead personnel leaves 330, or 10 per station. That’s 1 four-man quint, 1 two-man paramedic squad, and 2 two-man ambulances. It’d have to get pretty busy in an area to need the quints for EMS runs. At 1704 R st, there’d have to be at least 6 nearby medicals before one of the quints was too busy to respond, and at least 8 before none of them were closer than Engine 8 was, especially if you moved up ambulances from the rest of the city.

        *with their 210 working fires per year divided by 33 engines divided by 4 shifts and reduced by 33% for time on the ambulance and 50% for being at the hydrant instead of being on the pipe the average DCFEMS EMT-Firefighter gets to work the nozzle roughly once every other year, and is not nearly as salty as they’d like to think they are.

        • Gil

          Thats where you are wrong, there were no sick outs.

        • firedude

          I’ve listened to your rants and ramblings. I am convinced you honestly believe you have solved all FD;s across Amreica’s problems. Yet you provide no evidence to back your resoning. Show us your DEPT’s way of doing things. Please provide us examples of you guys operate and the name of the dept all of America should be like. We can all talk the talk, but show us you walk the walk. Quints are nothing more than ways to down staff dept’s.

  • Yankee Fireman

    Quints do not magically extinguish fires —— well trained, experienced, determined and squared away fireman do and DC has those – probably not as many as they should though. For the most part urban communities’ that have embraced the quint concept have done so to cut staffing and merge/close firehouses. The powers cowards (Benedict Arnolds) in charge sell the quint lie to the public & pols that 4 FF’s on a single magic stick can somehow accomplish what it takes 8-10 FF’s to get done with an engine co and truck co. This doesn’t work in urban communities with varied and complex structural types, high density, difficult stretches and high life hazards. Can quints be a valuable tool under certain conditions and settings – yes – but not so when used to combine an engine and truck co’s in urban settings (less manpower).

    All we hear today is safety-safety-safety – some new gadget or piece of apparatus/equipment will keep safer and make us better Fireman ————- BULLSHIT —— rapid water on the fire along with well coordinated truck operations keep us safe. Highly trained, experienced and motivated brother FF’s keep us safe. When they close firehouses and/or take co’s out of service our response time rises – that does not keep us safe. When we reducing staffing – jobs/tasks do not get done and/or are delayed — the fire grows, we get hurt/die as do civilians – not safe.

    The equipment and tools we use have come along way & enable us to perform our jobs in a safer more efficient manor. When are the ill-informed – never been down a hallway safety suzie’s gonna start talking about staffing and realistic response times —— measured from alarm receipt to first water on the fire. No, it’s much easier and far less confrontational to sit back and just grab some of the low hanging fruit. Just keep adding more lights and stripes to our rigs and continue letting MFG’s reps that have never battled the beast dictate to us what we really need to keep us safe and them in the money.

    Thoughts and prayers to the injured DC brothers.

    • Commenter

      I don’t think quints are magic. I think they allow you to do just what you proposed: get rapid water along with well coordinated truck operations on the fire.

      Out in the counties – where traffic is sometimes worse than it is in DC. Fairfax and Prince George’s cover almost 11 sq mi per station, Montgomery covers almost 15 sq mi per station. These counties have significant rural areas, but it’s not unreasonable to infer that a fire station can effectively cover more than 2 square miles.

      DC has 33 stations in 66 square miles. 33 Engines, 17 Trucks, 3 Heavy Rescues. 210 or so fires a year. Occasionally, they’ll have 2 alarms working. Maybe once a year they’ll have 3 alarms working – maybe 24 companies working. Quite simply, with 53 companies, they have more fire trucks than they know what to do with, so they send them on almost every 9-1-1 Medical call, even though 80% of 9-1-1 Medical calls don’t require an immediate first responder. They’ve made work for themselves, they’ve artificially increased the demand for fire trucks. So, on R street, we have the paradoxical situation where we have too many fire trucks for fires, but not enough to send them on all the medical calls.

      DC runs almost 140,000 EMS calls, but fewer than 30,000 fire calls. Even with a generous 3 fire units per call, this only barely justifies 33 companies. Quints lets DC keep 33 fire stations and a super fast response time rather than requiring 11-12 trucks of those 33 companies to be quartered with an engine in order to have water. So — quints allow for more stations per 100 firefighters, which results in faster response times. They also allow almost eliminate the need to send an engine and truck for non-fire emergencies, which improves availability, and thus response times.

      So — do you want 33 stations with 4 man quints; 33 stations with 3 man engines plus 11 three man trucks; or 22 stations with 4 man engines and 11 four man trucks? Are you really going to argue that 3 man companies are faster with water than 4 man companies? Are you going to argue that dedicated engines covering 3 square miles will be faster at water on fire equivalently staffed quints covering 2?

      You don’t have to make that choice yet. But clearly you don’t have enough ambulances, clearly sending fire trucks on ambulance calls doesn’t work well as Plan A. You’ve got to come up with something. The people deserve it.

      PS Dcfireman feel free to skip my posts in the future.

      • E McG

        17 Trucks? Wrong. 16.
        140,000 Medicals? Wrong. 124,000.
        210 Fires? Wrong. 426 Structural Fires.

        • Commenter

          I’d sure love to see the statistics for 2012, why don’t you share them?

          My point remains: You have 50-some ‘fire trucks’. 20-30,000 ‘fire calls’, of which a few hundred are structural fires, don’t justify this many fire trucks. However, this is not enough fire trucks to send one to nearly every of 120,000+ EMS calls.

          Send ambulances to EMS calls
          Send fire trucks to fire calls

          Have enough to not run out of either, which means having enough fire trucks to move up during fires to cover at least every other station, and having enough ambulances to only need a fire truck first responder on less than 20% of the EMS calls.

          dcfire.com says your engines, trucks, and rescue squads do 57,724 non-EMS individual unit responses. At 2500 per ‘fire truck’, this justifies 23 fire trucks. 2500 is a good average number of responses per fire truck. Some will run half of this, some will run twice this.

          you say you do 124,000 Medicals. At 4500 per ambulance this is 28 ambulances. Half of these are ALS and need (per 1710) ALS and a total 4 people. At 4500 per medic unit, this is 14 medic units. 20% of 124k is 24,800, which justifies another 10 fire trucks. 4500 with 75% transports gives a UHU of under 0.40, which is a solid, sustainable number.

          There you have it: 33 ‘Fire trucks’, 28 Ambulances, 14 medic units.

          You need more than 28 transport units during the day. You might even need more than 42 transport units during the day, in which case you’d have to trade some 24 hour units for two 12 hour units, or three 8 hour units, etc.

          The second point I make is that if you have 33 fire trucks and 33 stations, you need to have water on all of them. You don’t necessarily need an aerial on all of them. Corollary – when you’re running your engines on all the medical runs, your trucks and rescue squads should be ready to be first arriving at an apartment fire, which means having water on board. This was the point of the whole discussion: regardless of statistics, mathematics, ideas about system design, Rescue Squad 3 and Truck 7 arrived, without water, first at a FATAL building fire. The nearest water came from the fourth due station almost 2 miles away, more than 1.5 miles further away the closest station. This is evidence enough for me that you need to start specifying quints and rescue engines rather than dry trucks and rescue squads. You probably also need to fix your EMS problem by some means other than ALS engines, but it may end up costing you 10 fire companies.

          Nit picking the numbers doesn’t change the truth.

      • Ron Stuart

        Commenter, apparatus began running medical locals in DC about 1989, when Chief Alfred, who had no clue what he was doing, decided to send appartus on medical locals as opposed to putting more ambulances in service. His solution was to send fire engines, and label all the apparatus with EMS…and change the name of the department and the patch. The problem with quints is simple: it obstructs fire operating procedures, both NFPA and our own. Rapid water is not the priority on a fire- the priority in all cases is rescue. While all firefighters are responsible for rescue, all firefighters are also responsible for specific tasks. Fire floor attack, basement check, floor above, exposures, vertical and horizontal ventilation, forceable entry, RIT, etc., etc., etc. It is not just about “rapid water”. If we had a department with just “rapid water” we would have problems as other tasks might not be addressed. The other issue is simple, and that is that even if we had a fleet made up of quints, we would still require the same number of apparatus on the fire ground to provide the crews to complete tasks. You obviously have no idea what you are writing about. Ronnie Few, another genius promoted because of you know why- thought he could implement the quint system here. It just dosent work in reality, but it seems like a great idea in the head of a simple mind.

        • Commenter

          “The problem with quints is simple: it obstructs fire operating procedures, both NFPA and our own. ” Non sequitur. Clarify, please.

          If the priority is always rescue, why does putting an aerial ladder on everything sound like a bad idea? Anyhow, the priority is rescue, and engines effect rescue by putting out the fire. The singlemost effective task that can occur to make life better for any trapped occupants is to put water on the fire. You would not conduct a search for possible victims before putting water on visible fire. If you somehow found yourself faced with a building with fire showing from the first floor, and people hanging from the windows on the second floor, you should not drop the hose to return for ground ladders, you should put water on the fire.

          If you need 25 men on the fireground, it doesn’t matter what they arrive in, so long as they have at least one pump and one aerial. You can replace engines & trucks 1:1 on the assignment with quints. The overall goal of quints isn’t to reduce fireground staffing, but rather economize on overall staffing. AFAIK both Richmond and St Louis went from 3 man engines and trucks to 4 man quints.

          If DC needs 33 ambulances and 17 Medic units, they’d need to come up with 22 more personnel. If DC converted 33 four-man-engines and 16 five-man-trucks to five-man-quints, they’d have enough personnel to staff 38 of them as well as 33 ambulances and 17 medic units. You could have 5 double houses.

          And that’s only a “Total Quint Concept”. You don’t have to go that far. (Though I’m pretty sure 5 firefighters arriving on a quint is more effective at getting a line in service than 4 firefighters on an engine)

          If you simply replaced some of your existing trucks with quints you’d have to close 5-6 engines to free up staffing for having enough EMS units to handle your demand. Paradoxically, even though you might close 6 engines, you’d actually wind up with better engine response times, because you could then run an ambulance and a medic unit to most of your EMS runs, rather than an Ambulance and an ALS Engine. Make one double house per battalion a single truck (quint) house, and only send fire trucks on medicals when there’s no transport unit available within 2.5 miles. 90% of your problems solved right there. R street doesn’t happen again, because Engine 15 is sitting in quarters, and not on a Medical call.

          Another plus for quints is that you can send a single unit to almost every non-structural fire “fire” call. One truck carries all the tools you’d need, just not all the people you might need. That further improves your response times, because your units are available immediately, and not sitting on a gas leak somewhere babysitting some fans.

  • http://statter911.com Dcfireman

    Commenter,
    You have single handedly ruined the comments section of this website. I hope your are just trying to stir the pot and not as dumb as the stuff you consistently put on here. If you are may god have mercy on the dept you belong to, if you even belong to one. If you do please go bother them and leave the rest of us alone. Every time I read one of your posts if feel dumber and as though I just wasted a small portion of my life. Dave, in the interest of letting the rest of us being able to enjoy your website can you please install an ignore button so the rest of us non idiots don’t have to read people like commenters garbage??????? Pretty please

  • http://statter911.com Dcfireman

    I will skip them just like everyone else here does. P.S. DC is 69 square miles, just like always your facts and scenarios and wrong and foolish. you don’t work here and have no idea what we need or how many times a year things happen. You are an idiot go away.

  • Dumb fireman

    This whole argument is based on the idea that Engine 8 was too far away from this particular incident… Lets keep it at what it is without making it a battle of wits (or the witless).

    Would they have normally been first due? No. Would they have been on the box? Yes. For the #’s and college degrees put out fires people… Did they show up in less than 4 minutes like the Gods at NFPA have determined acceptable… Yes. (Even though they weren’t the first Department apparatus on scene, which is what NFPA counts).

    Things could have gone a little more smoothly, fine. However there are other factors that went into this particular incident. In the event that you need to go master streams, that area is filled with hydrants with less than 500 gpm. The transitioning from interior tactics to defensive operations is not going to happen instantly.

    8 Engine was sitting on it’s own hydrant, so they had water from the outset. But because someone heard a “chief” say that they needed more water (while in transition to defensive operations… interestingly, when you need more water), everyone goes nuts and now the FD screwed up and it needs to be reorganized.

    Would 15 have been quicker if not on a medical local? Of course… but emergency calls do happen at the same time on occasion. And then I’ll refer you back to my earlier comments of how the 1st Engine showed up in less time than the national standard calls for. Does your jurisdiction even come close to that standard for fire and EMS? If not (and most throughout the country don’t) your superior knowledge of how FDs throughout this country should be used to worry about yourself.

    • Commenter

      If 8 is close enough why spend millions of dollars a year to keep 15 staffed?

      You’d be better off with quints and 5″ for your transitional defense. Box alarm of 5 quints, all forward laying from separate hydrants, except the first due who would normally fast attack with tank water. (Might lay in on this header, though). Each 500 gpm hydrant pushes 495 gpm the through 200-400 feet of 5″. Almost 2000 gpm to the scene on the first alarm. Going to 4 preconnected aerials. 2nd alarm brings 5 more, this time relaying from a decent hydrant on a decent main – 5 x 1000′ can bring 1500 gpm from almost a mile away, if necessary. Or, more likely 2×1500 gpm from two locations 2000′ away.

      • Anonymous

        Commenter, shut up about your stupid quint idea. Clearly DC doesn’t run them now, so they’re probably not going to. It’s not what they do. So Shut up about it. I want to know what department your on, do you guys run all quints on a box? Do you have bumper turents? Do you guys run BLS squads? Do you have 750-1000 gpm hydrants so your chief doesn’t have to ask for more water when you go from Offensive to Defensive? How about this, lets see a video of you Operating at a house fire so we can critique the s**t out of you like you do to everyone else.

      • Gil

        So now we know, you sell quint’s and 5″ hose. No one in their right mind would be pushing them if they were not getting some thing in return.

        • Commenter

          A better fire department in my Nation’s Capitol is what I’m getting in return.

          One that can reliably get water on a fire within seconds of arrival – and can arrive from a fire station well within 1.5 road miles – preferably 1.0 road miles. Not ever 1.9 road miles like it takes to get to 1704 R St SE from 1520 C St SE.

          One that can rapidly and seamlessly switch from 300 gpm streams to 600-1000 gpm streams, and isn’t handicapped by using 2 engines and a truck to get water from a single hydrant, which is especially wasteful when that hydrant is the limiting factor. Instead of 2 engines and a truck getting 500 gpm from one hydrant, 3 quints with 5″ could forward lay from 3 separate hydrants and get 1500 gpm.

          One that has enough EMS units to handle the EMS demand rather than featherbedding union members on fire trucks. DC doesn’t need 52 fire trucks and 39 EMS units – it needs 39 fire trucks and 52 fire trucks — or better, 39 fire trucks and 65 EMS units. Fire trucks should roll on maybe 2% of EMS calls, especially in cities where the economy of scale and call density allows for short response times. Out in rural maryland, it might make sense to send a fire truck on everything when the ambulance has a 20 minute response time. If the ambulance can have a 10 minute or less response time, the fire truck is only needed for choking, CPR, etc.

          So, if you’re committed to maintaining 33 fire stations in order to offer < 3 minute response times for fires and that 2% of EMS calls that benefit from it, and only have 39 fire companies, what do you do? 33 Engines and 6 trucks? You could look at London, England, an older and denser city than DC: it only has 11 ladders for 170 pumpers. If that's what you want, have at it. I personally think having 33 75' quints and 6 100'+ quints would be a better use.

          Of course, as good IAFF members, you'll insist that you need 53 fire companies, run them up and down the street on low acuity EMS calls, and minimize the number of ambulances you have to staff.

  • HOOKMAN

    Commenter…….if you’re holding 17 apples and I come up to you and kick you in the #*&!, but you only drop 1….how many apples will you be holding ?
    Here’s a hint…..its the number of ladder trucks in the DC Fire Dept…..Now go run along and do what you do best….from the plagiarism like comments you’ve been making, its blatantly clear to most you’re what we’d call a numbers nerd…..however, seeing that you have problems counting ladder trucks, why don’t you check with the counselor at the group home to see if they offer a remedial math class…..oh wait…i think i hear a fire truck coming down the road….Quick Commenter…if you’re lucky..maybe they’ll toot the air horn for you….

  • HOOKMAN

    2 screws loose + nutbag – ritalin = Commenter

  • KindergartenKop1

    The few; the proud; the name callers

  • Rescue5Squad

    COMMENTOR I realize you know everything, or pertain to. But you might want to do your homework before making your case!
    Taken from Wiki:

    As of 2011, the STLFD started the process of moving away from the “Total Quint Concept”. The first wave of nine “regular pumpers” were put in service. To distinguish the difference, pumper trucks are referred as “Engines” and apparatus with 75-foot aerial ladders are referred as “Trucks”. Apparatus with aerials larger than 100 feet are stilled called “Hook and Ladders”. The next wave of pumpers are due 2012-2013. Each district/battalion will eventually have at least three engine companies along with one truck, and one hook and ladder.

    The same is taking place in Richmond VA, as well!

    • Commenter

      Still buying quints, as I said.

      So don’t use the Total Quint Concept, just use quints instead of ladders like most departments do.

      The only advantage of modern engines over small quints is economic, not operational. If you can get that big old RS3 in front of the building, you could get a 75′ single rear axle quint there. In fact, the better small quints aren’t much longer than the smallest post-2010-EPA engines.

      St Louis is replacing some quints with engines – not all of them. They’re not replacing quints with an engine AND a truck — they’re simply losing capability, in favor of a slightly cheaper to purchase and operate apparatus.

  • BmoreCarefull

    Commenter sounds like a moron.

    Struck The Box K!!!

  • Another D.C. Fireman

    To all of my D.C. Brothers commenting back to “THE COMMENTER” take a breath and please spit the hook out. If this was fishing you all would have been stuffed and mounted to the wall by now. FTM-PTB

  • MPDC

    To all of D.C’s Finest… WE put our lives on the line everyday to save the citizens of the District only to get talked about and criticized. Until they walk in OUR shoes and deal with the situatuions we have to deal with they cant compare. Being a first responder is totally different from being a first BYSTANDER. Every siuation will have it’s could have, would have, should have’s. Well DCFD and MPDC are hiring so you should have, would have, could have applied!!! Good Job FAMILY!