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Pre-arrival video: House fire in Hicksville, New York.

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Video shot by Kevin O’Toole of a house fire yesterday at 83 Lantern Road in Hicksville, New York (Nassau County) on Long Island.

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  • old man 1

    Well done job and i bet it was a volunteer company. Just shows good trainng and leadership does get the job done right. Fire was knocked down before the ladder arrived on scene and was able to park in front of the house.

    • PGTruckie

      ??? you have got to be joking me.. this video was a Great example of how NOT!! to fight a house fire.. poor tactics and operations / no crew continuity/ no training and a lack of firemen with a set of balls that didnt make the push in to save that familys property… instead thier outside playin dress up and they use halfe a company to move that hose towards the house..i guess anybody now and days can get fire gear and be called a firefighter but a fireman thats a title one has to earn

  • Scooter

    Well done? Rig looked good coming in hard and right to the plug then…. 1 min 53 to get water… hose made of glass? softly flaking it out like it might break…. then the Tebow pose in the front yard. Come on man… garage off and fire in one or two rooms. Mask up…. get off your knee… straight stream and go kick its butt and make the push inside!….. Strike Da Box! K

  • Chief Haywood Jablowme

    Drive any faster down the street the wind from the rig could have blew the fire out. We’re they trying to lead in with a preconnect. If that was a preconnect I wonder why it was hanging off rig. Maybe flying there at Mach speed. These are the mistakes that can kill someone. Undue speed and not securing your equipment. Slow down and be safe.

  • No name

    It looked to me like a fairly inexperienced nozzleman. That being said he had another member instructing him what to do and handled it. And the other guys picked up the slack and flaked the line. They were flowing water not too long after 1 minute being on scene. It was not 2 minutes. They did a nice job making a quick knock outside and then pushing in. I think it looked like overall a great stop. And I wish we had that many people on our first piece at the volunteer house!

    Good job to the crew that came in with the tools needed to actually be a rit team.

    • Skiny

      We need some paid professionals! That all I can say.

  • Fire21

    As a 37-yr volunteer, I feel they ran the engine too far beyond the fire building. Yes, leave room for a truck, but there’s no need to make your firefighters carry all their tools and ladders so far. Also, park the engine on the same side of the street as the fire…it leaves the street more open for apparatus and ambulances that might arrive or depart from the other direction. What’s the ribbon streaming behind the engine?..Is that for tagging a hydrant? And for the sake of safety, bring all apparatus into the scene slower than that engine was running…there were people in the street, for crying out loud!

    In the yard, I counted 7 firefighters early on, yet civilians were flaking out the hose. C’mon guys, you can’t all be on the knob at the same time. Teamwork!!

    Because of breaks in the footage of video, we don’t know if they got a line inside. It really doesn’t look like it, though. Hopefully they did.

    • Fire21

      I just rewatched the video. It looks like their hydrant was on the left side of the street…that would explain the way they parked the engine.

  • Johnny Awesome

    Mutual Aid was provided by, Redneck City, Hill Billy Estates and Backwoods Vally Fire Departments…

    LOL, other then the funny name, they did a good job.

  • PGTruckie

    not too sure about the firefighting operations here.. looks like 2 or 3 rooms off in the front of the house.. a/b side possibly.i just dont understand hitting it from outside. this is a bread and butter fire.first line enters the house gets a knock on the rooms while a second line is pulled to side charlie and looks for access while another crew is checking for extension in the attack. good firefighting and training relies on firefighters who are willing to train and do thier job to the fullest while they have good officers training and drilling them. dosnt look like that here. nobody was ready for a recue/ interior attack . guys geting dressed still off the truck , not to mention i seen about 5 guys on the line moving towards the house on thier knees?? you are outside for gods sake…. horrible. 2 ladders thrown the whole time no body on the roof venting…bad job as well by the truck company. you all may say im monday morning quarterbacking this fire but a video dosnt lie. if you dont see the same stuff im seein then you all must be blind.. im stating facts from the video.

    • NEFire

      Man, does your shoulder hurt musch from patting yourself on the back? Really? You want a line to the front door AND another line to the #3 side?? Ever hear of opposing hand lines?? Vent the roof?? Really?? For a 1 1/2 story PD that has no fire in the attic?? I wish Dave would not let comments on videos. Perfect ops? No but in almost 30 years as a paid and volley member, I’ve never seen a job go 100% perfect.

    • Molly

      You are not stating facts from the video, you’re making up shit in your head to make yourself feel like a fire god. The video does not show guys getting of the rigs undressed, except the driver who is making the hydrant connections and will be manning the pump panel anyway. There are clearly members arriving in pov’s who you could consider partly dressed but they are certainly not holding up any particular operation or making the scene worse. One guy was on his knees in the yard and he was clearly a rookie getting some valuable experience and instruction on the nozzle. Big f’in deal if he was on his knees! He still moved fast and was flowing water, plus he got up pretty quick anyway. You cannot see the charlie side so you have no idea what was going on there so don’t make ignorant assumptions. And if you don’t understand attacking a fire from the outside let me suggest something for you to try when you have some spare time – light something on fire, then put water on it and see what happens.

      • PGTruckie

        i guess your a curbsitter as well…

        • Molly

          Exactly the reply I expected from a young cadet like yourself. How did you get on with that little fire test? Did you figure out how to light a match?
          Relax dude. Bring something useful or constructive to the discussion next time and you’ll that guys won’t jump on you for posting garbage.

      • PGNvrFails

        Now now children, lets play nice. PGTruckie has all the answers, being from PGCo, after all that is where we see majority of the stories of their guys getting burnt up for being such aggressive firefighters and sooo “heoric”.

      • Lt. LarryFDNY

        Don’t agree here at all. I’m all for being aggressive but there is a difference between being aggressive & being foolish. Most PG county FD’s are aggressive but take WAAAAY too many unnecessary risks.

        They didn’t dump the tank from the outside; they gave it a quick hit & darkened it down, then made a push. More & more studies are coming out regarding fire behavior showing that fire isn’t “Pushed” in the traditional sense we have always thought.

        Cooling it down & making a push in is by no means the wrong thing to do. As for cutting/venting the roof, on Long Island, more & more departments are getting away from this. It’s a combination of risk/benefit & the fact that more & more construction is of the lightweight Varity. Although this house appeared to be old enough that it was more than likely not lightweight but depts. are putting policies in regarding peaked roofs.

        As was said, it wasn’t a perfect operation, but it was a pretty good job with a quick knockdown.

        Interesting side note: The videographer was Kevin OToole, the PG FF from Long Island that was caught in a basement fire last year & burned pretty bad. I wonder if he agrees about the overly aggressive tactics…

    • 95%er

      i didn’t think you would understand. but for the rest of you folks…a modern hose stream has a reach of about 25-50′. USE the distance! Don’t walk up to the fire until you are enveloped by it and THEN open the nozzle. Let the nozzle and the pump do their job and start flowing water BEFORE you are ONE with the FLAMES. Simple mindset. Now roof venting…on a SFD? with no evidence of fire in the roof void space? On a peaked roof? WHY would you waste the time and effort? Horizontal venting is way more effective, safer, and QUICKER. Only exception..when fire is showing under the roof. Yes, it looks to me like the engine was a bit too fast (but NOBODY in PG ever drives FAST…do they?) and the line could have moved in a bit quicker and been charged a few seconds quicker…but all in all, I’d give these guys a solid 8 out 10. I know I know, nothing is worth it in PG if at least one guy doesn’t burn his lid or his gear. Oh well.

  • Mongo

    You know, at first I thought that they were in no hurry to get the hose flaked out and charged up. But when you think about the fact that they got water on the fire around 1:30, it isn’t that bad, just looked like no one was in a hurry. People will tell you that means they weren’t running around like crazy but taking the time to operate professionally and safely.

    They got the job done. My only thoughts other than that,is could there have been any more photographers there? Good lord.

  • fyrmnjm

    Nice job by the crews. my only question is, whats with all the camera people? they look like a bunch of tourists. get out of the way and let the men work. I agree with that the engine came in to fast for conditions.

  • old man 1

    I would bet that some of these Hicksville firefighters are members of FDNY. Also the engine was making the plug on the left. Some of you who critque always think you or your department is the best and as someone who has been able to see many large departments in operation all over the country there is no perfect one. Some departments and some companies are better than others everywhere and it doesn’t matter if its a large or small department. I am retired from a large city after 37 years and often heard brothers knocking brothers sometimes for good reason and other times not for actions on the fireground. I still defend the Hicksville guys for a good job. Maybe its not the way you do it or i would have but it sure didn’t look bad compared to a lot of others i have seen.

  • the ear

    PG Truckie you are absolutely right.That fire attack left alot to be desired.They were slow getting water on the fire.It wouldn’t happen like that in PG.

    • 95%er

      seriously? PG is that awesome! what wouldn’t happen that way? 7 guys get off a rig? a few others show up that live in the neighborhood? I’m not from the area and I am dying to find out what you guys would have done differently. A few seconds quicker on charging the line (maybe)…but what advances in modern firefighting have been discovered in PG that we are not doing in the NY area. Open for suggestions….

  • Anonymous

    It wasn’t really all that bad. A little slow getting the first line charged, advancing the line across the lawn on their knees was kinda funny, but obviously a rookie on the pipe. The “ribbon” flying behind the rig, what’s up with that?
    On the other hand, 2 ladders thrown is 2 more ladders than most places, and the did get it knocked down pretty quickly.

  • Puzzled

    Yeah, we had a person join our dept that was from this dept. He was always fond of saying,”we did it this way”, or “in Hicksville….”. I don’t think he made it a year before he was sent packing. Never saw a 500′ preconnect before either.

  • XFDNY

    Hey fellas, ignore the Monday morning quarterbacks if you can. You know how to critique this fire, how to analyze and see what went well and what could be improved on. These forums serve a good purpose there too, but some people seem to think if they were at the fire they’d have seen everything, overlooked nothing, and probably just intimidated the fire into putting itself out. You did a fine job there, got water onto the fire quickly, put it out quickly, and everyone went home safely. You should feel nothing but proud of yourselves. I grew up on the island and Hicksville is as good a department (and as busy) as any volunteer or paid department out there. Critique it in-house and learn from it, as you should with every fire, but be proud of the job you did here. Hats off to you.

  • Mack Seagrave

    That wasn’t a “500′ crosslay” that was stretched. The first to arrive engine crew stretched their attack line off the rear hose bed. The rig positioned where it did because that’s where the nearest hydrant was located (positive water source). Water was flowing onto the fire in less than 2 minutes and all visible, heavy fire was darkened down in less than 3 minutes. Regardless of what some chest pounding super heroes (who critique firefighting op’s here) have to say, none of us can walk through fire. When the fire is blowing out the front door, it must be knocked down before the line advances. From what can be seen in the video, it looks like the brothers from Hicksville did a good job. Definitely a far superior job than a lot of the fire scenes that make it to this site.

  • RK

    Looked like a Chinese fire drill to me…..

  • puzzled

    I think I figured out the yellow “ribbon”. They deployed the drag chute, and it ripped off.

  • Capt Dick

    Adequate job all in all. Not surprised if some of the squirrels do work FDNY, SFDs are there weakness , and it shows. You can’t please the Jerry Engle boys so don’t even try… No bailouts or evac tones and they think you didn’t try hard enough. Looked like a typical volley operation.

  • Unreal

    Seen worse, overall they did a good.just a couple things that bother me, which are personal opinions. First, Chief put your gear on, I understand your standing outside in command but look the part.Second all these guys standing there with FD apparel on with cameras, and start shooting like a red carpet event when the truck pulls up is very unprofessional. And lastly I’d rather lay a few hundred feet of supply line, then need a couple extra lengths of attack line because the truck is 2 or 3 houses away.

  • Anonymous

    Took them too long to put water on the fire, but other than that, not too shabby. Nothing wrong with knocking it down before going in. You’ll find the the NIST SC study will prove that’s a smart and effecitive tactic.

  • Commenter

    Too long to get water on the fire. Position on side A, and use a short preconnect. They had the manpower to catch a plug and forward lay in. No opportunity for a truck or panicked civilian to drive over the attack hose when you need it most.

    And, yes, a bumper turret would have done exactly what they did, only almost 2 minutes faster.