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Helmet-cam: Two single family homes burn in Jacksonville, FL. Neighbors complain about water issues.

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This is helmet-cam video from High Def Helmet of a fire on Monday afternoon in the 4500 block of Perry Street in Jacksonville, Florida. According to news reports, the fire began on the front porch of one home and spread to a house next door. Neighbors complained to reporters about water supply issues they believe allowed the fire to spread, something Jacksonville Fire Rescue denies.

FirstCoastNews.com:

The home where the fire started was fully involved and spreading when Jacksonville Fire and Rescue Department crews arrived.

Neighbors in the Perry St./Long Branch neighborhood voiced several concerns to First Coast News about the lack of water and fire hydrants in the area.

Some neighbors believed the second home could have been saved had there been more water readily available.

FCN took those questions to JFRD. A spokesperson for the department said there was no water shortage, adding each engine carries over 400 gallons of water.

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  • slackjawedyokel

    no shortage of water MAYBE – shortage of fireman trained in fire behavior and fire fighting tactics -deff

  • agates1272

    WTF am I missing here?

    1st, the residents can complain about water supply issues, but the real reason the other house lit off is the fact that it’s no more than 6 feet from the primary structure.

    2nd, WHERE THE HELL WAS EXPOSURE PROTECTION? Protecting your exposures is one of the first things to consider in your size up. If you’ve got limited resources, then one line to the primary, second line to your Bravo exposure and cool it the hell down while your next due gets on scene.

    3rd, Why in God’s name would you just let the exposure BURN and allow fire to run the walls up into the attic? Get some water on the damn fire and save the second off structure!!!

    I gotta say, I’ve seen a ton of videos out of Jacksoneville, and they are usually pretty stellar. This one, not so much. Supply may have been an issue, but the more serious problem here is a tactical failure. Would be nice to hear from someone who was there…

  • Fire21

    There’s a good reason to have the first due lay in a supply. That would have been a lot of unnecessary hand jacking to get supply from the laying engine to the attack engine!

    I was glad to see they finally got some water on the exterior of house #2 at 6:50 in the video. I thought they were just gonna let it burn down from the outside in.

  • on the job

    why suck half that SCBA bottle down walking around the driveway while grabbing the line ??

    • willowbay

      I was wondering the same thing.

  • Crowbar

    Do these guys get paid?

  • Anonymous

    I just keep picturing the cleaning lady from Family Guy saying, “Nooo….No.”
    FF took over 50 breaths outside. Then, as soon as they step inside a PASS alarm can be heard. Yet no one seems to care about it.
    Show me the rookie book that reads, “Breathe a good chunk of your air a few minutes before you enter an IDLH. Ignore PASS alarms.” Back to the basics (smh)

  • Truck167

    Save your air – Dump the Bed – and protect the exposure. Just a few key points i saw, but due to not knowing how far along in the incident this video started i woun’t be too hard on them. As far as if they are paid I do beleive so but that doesn’t make a difference this is basic stuff. I hope that the PPV shown @ 1:09 into the video is not the reason why they had “two of them going”

  • Aardvark

    Is that Issac Hayes in “command” ??? Puhleeze……

  • 95%er

    you guys complained about the guys on Long Island?

    Holy heck, they had a rig parade down the street and brought everything except a supply line.

  • CHAOS

    If they had shown up with a bumper-turret equipped, pump & roll quint with magic bubbles, they wouldn’t have needed a water supply. Both fires would have extinguished themselves immediately out of fear and awe.

    Back in the real world, it is a bit surprising that they didn’t go after the exposure building a bit sooner. Have to admit, I’ve never heard of a FD spokesman refer to his engines carrying “over 400 gallons” of water instead of a hard number. Anyone know the actual specs?

    • Fire21

      When advertisers say their product is “under $1000″, they usually mean it’s $999.99. Perhaps these engines carry 401 gallons.

    • Commenter

      My guess is that some of their quints carry 500 gallons combined water and foam concentrate, such as 470 gallons water and 30 gallons foam concentrate.

      Jacksonville doesn’t need much in the way of aerials, and that neighborhood didn’t need any. They could simply operate engines with sufficient equipment to perform truck company duties: additional ground ladders, saws, fans, hooks, etc. They certainly could have showed up with 1000 gallon water tank engines. Or they could have showed up with a plan, and had the 2nd due always provide water supply.

      And yes, foam is a proven concept. Water with foam concentrate is more effective than water alone. Period, full stop.

      Had the first engine showed up with 750+ gallons on board and shaving creamed all three houses with a bumper turret and 60 seconds of foam as it rolled in, exposure protection would have been handled prior to stretching the first line.

      • RK

        Your stupid.

        • Doing it.

          You’re*

  • Blue

    A spokesperson for the department said there was no water shortage, adding each engine carries over 400 gallons of water.

    This baffoon needs to look for work else where….

  • Someone Knows Nothing

    It is so hard not to criticize. It is so damn sad. . . .
    HOW HARD IS IT FOR THE 1ST DUE ENGINE TO PULL PASSED THE FIRE BUILDING LAYING IN OR NOT? 1st due truck can’t even make the building, 2nd due engine gets blocked in by the 2nd due truck. That right there is an absolute disgrace. I guess guys never operated pieces or responded to fires before. Oh armchair quarterback, yeah I know I have no clue to the sequence of events. Well I can tell you this much you had 2 truck operators that couldn’t do a damn thing with their apparatus, but they could of worked together to hand stretch a line with the operator from the 2nd due engine to establish water! ! ! At 1:50 fire in 2 structures, I guess an IC with absolute no gear on, DO YOU NEED SOME HELP? What the hell am I missing? Then we wonder why people mock the fire service and wonder why cuts take place? Oh we need manpower, we need equipment. . . for what? look at what takes place. . . . It is so damn sad. . . . When you have a bad day and want a good laugh just watch this clip, http://youtu.be/6BnJ8cDYF2k

  • GaFireCaptain

    I don’t work for JFRD, but work for an agency not too terribly far away, as well as drilling in Jax with the Reserves….like agate said, I have seen JFRD operate in person and they are usually gold-standard; don’t know what happened here. As for Commenter’s assertion that Jacksonville doesn’t have much of a need for aerials, have you ever been to Jacksonville? Have to disagree with that statement pretty strongly.

  • Someone knows Something

    JFRD does not have quints, all trucks are sticks with pipes, no water, just men and tools.

    “knows nothing”, First you complain the truck is not in front, then you complain that the 2nd due cant get in because of the truck, pick one! Why would you need an aerial for a 1 story house fire with an exposure? They have these portable ground ladders that can be carried to the house and used, and if the fire burned much longer they have enough guys walking down to the address that they could trample the fire out. Fire out, both houses saved. Deal with it

    • CHAOS

      You must be mistaken. Commenter (or whatever he’s calling himself this week) says they have quints, and not only does he know more than the rest of us combined, but, he’s never wrong.

      Oh, that’s right, he was guessing, sort of like guessing about the awesomeness of bumper-turret equipped pump & roll attacks. Hell, it works like a champ on wide open spaces like aircraft firefighting. What could be any different about trying it in congested urban situations?? I’m curious to know how it works in his FD. Does the driver operate the turret while he’s negotiating traffic, avoiding pedestrians & spectators, finding a hydrant, etc., or does the officer operate it while he’s also supposed to be giving a report, doing sizeup, giving orders to his crew & incoming units, etc.? I’m sure he’s formulating a very impressive report on how it works for his outfit. We can’t wait for all those facts to back up his bombast. Until then …

      • Commenter

        Still going by Commenter. The officer would operate it. Once the rig stopped, the driver would operate it — it’s already on target. The officer would then get out, perform his 360, and establish command as normal.

        Everytime I see one of these departments (FDNY, Detroit, Podunk) spend 2 minutes to get a line ready to spray water from the front stoop / sidewalk / lawn, I think “why couldn’t we do that 2 minutes ago”. If you can’t synthesize information and predict likely outcomes, you’re a drone.

        125-250 gallons is all I ask for. Just enough to ‘reset’ the fire, kill the flashover, knock it back a little, cool the room, stop the gas generation, protect the exposures a bit. All these things can be done without a 360 because there’s no such thing as pushing fire, and putting water on the fire in the fire room makes temperatures and gas exposure in the rest of the building better.

        Then the firefighters jump out, run the line to the door, mask up, force the door, sweep behind, and shut the door. By then the officer should be done with his 360 and either order the line in or give them a different task.

        • CHAOS

          still waiting …

          • Commenter

            Here’s a fact: water puts out fire.
            Here’s another: water from outside a window doesn’t push fire throughout the building.
            here’s another: water from outisde a window makes conditions more tenable in the rest of the building, right now.
            here’s another: we see video after video of the big city guys spraying water from the yard, the sidewalk, the front stoop before going in and finishing the job.
            here’s another: water doesn’t care if it was sprayed from the sidewalk or from the street, and it doesn’t care if it came out of a handline nozzle or a bumper turret nozzle. Neither does the fire.
            here’s another: on this site we see video after video of big city departments that “do it” take 1 or 2 minutes or longer to get a line to the front of the building and spray water from outside.
            here’s another: pump and roll apparatus exist for ARFF, Wildfire, and SWI. They can direct a stream before the apparatus stops.
            here’s another: with pump and roll, that stream can start working on the fire before the fire truck even comes to a stop, performing the same tasks that the big city boys do, only performing it 2 minutes faster, with only one person.

            Just because you lack the imagination to see solutions to problems (2 minutes between arrival and water, even in busy, professional, urban departments) does not mean that they don’t exist.

    • I know it ALL

      Pick “ONE” dumbass. . . there is an engine, a truck, an engine, a truck in the block. . (4 pieces of apparatus). . . what is there to pick? The 1st due engine stopped short of the building. The 1st truck is behind that engine over a house away. . . then the 2nd engine instead of backing in to lay out, pulled in forward, then the 2nd truck blocked that engine in. . . pick one. . . what the hell is there to pick? These chiefs and fire officers and operators don’t know their head from their ass. . . that’s the problem with this fire scene

  • http://yahoo Fire Guy

    Totally unaccetable, this so typical of a dept that touts itself as a model of excellance.No one laid a line going in which certaainly htey should have seen the smoke, maybe laying forward is a better way since many departments live by those BOOKS!!!! Ist arriving should have LAID In Or LAYED OUT , went past it as hose will bend and enable the truck the front.The alleged officer breathing air walking down the street or alley is sign of a place holder. If I lived there someone would have to answer to the actions of the group. Really was nice to see 1 or 2 I/C’s standing out front in lieu of taking command and tracking their people. I wonder if they promote based on experience, actual fireground evaluations or maybe just those who are book worthy and @#$%T^Y&. TRANSPARENCY is not a lost art if you have the courage to pursue it.