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Raw video: House fire in Kingston, NY. Police officer injured searching building.

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Video above and below from JBRAKERPHOTO of a three-alarm fire in Kingston, New York late Sunday morning that left a police officer hurt and damaged a two-family home. Third video from thesurfr.

Ann Gibbons, Daily Freeman:

Kingston Deputy Fire Chief Donald Allen on Sunday evening said the department responded immediately to the 11:46 a.m. call at 12 Linderman Ave., but, “The wind was the big thing. It gave the fire a huge start.”

Fire Chief John Reinhardt said Kingston Police Officer Mark Wikane, 55, reached the scene first and entered the burning building to be sure the occupants on both floors had escaped.

Wikane was treated and later released from the hospital, according to Kingston police.

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  • http://statter911 gone for good

    OMG another travesty of NY fire service,if only those who pay all the taxes to support the most exspensive fire trucks and banquets on the East Coast!! If they moved any slower or found any other little jobs in stead of actually going in to the structure they would have been asleep. I am so very glad I exited the EMPIRE STATE, how embarassing, I hope when the coffee wagon showed up, they had rocking chairs. When will the public demand service that equalls the money that is blown away on rigs, gear, stations etc. Do they need educated, maybe a study that is TRANSPARENT from an out of state entity could show it is high time to begin to consider a paid staff and not from current volunteers. If so it will be the same and worse.

    • Tree

      Kingston is a combination department – three career-staffed companies and four volunteer…

  • Fire21

    I wonder at what point crews were pulled out of the interior…or if they were ever in there?

    • Anonymous

      Yes, they were and then ordered out.

    • Who me?

      They were inside, and were pulled out. At what time, I’m not sure.

  • Jst2bmean

    Ok, so I was watching video two and I had to go back to the first one to check…because it looks like the front door is still closed. The first video looks like a line stretched inside. Video three, the comment about the “stubborn flame” and question is it “going to go out with all that water?” about killed me. Do your eaves act as some sort of one way flapper system back East??

  • 95%er

    we saw these guys a few weeks ago at the commercial store fire that ran through an exposure building while they waited for water.

    they weren’t very impressive then.

    thanks haven’t changed much.

    • Who me?

      You did not see “these guys” a few weeks back. That was another department and the department you see here was called into Mutual Aid to that fire.

  • Anonymous

    95%er, “the guys” you are referring to saw weeks ago was another department.

  • Dmgdriver

    I was wondering if there was entry made by the FD from another side not seen in the first 2 vids. Looking at the 3rd video it would appear that they were pulling the old “if we totally fill the house up with water the fire will go out” trick. It was a good thing that tower ladder 1 was on scene otherwise they would have never reached the ground

  • VolFFinNC

    I was wondering the same about interior crews as in the 1st video I thought I saw a line stretched inside through the front door and could see on occasion smoke coming out the doorway it looked like.

    Also what was up with the ladder truck becoming a lawn ordainment? I saw they were in a bad position anyways (power lines) and couldn’t have extended to the house without worrying about them, but why have it down on the ground?

    • Andy

      I was one of the two on that handline you see in the frontdoor. Notice the wind? Conditions would change from tough but manageable to heat so great you thought you forgot to put your hood on… and this would cycle every few seconds as the gusts hit the back of the house. Visibility never got past zero, we expected much better considering the fire was so well self ventilated upon arrival but the prevailing wind kept things pushed down on us.

      • Wilson Says

        And the EXCUSES Begin! When the fire is operating on plan”D” but you don’t change and continue operating on plan “A” what do you expect? Stop with the excuses, adapt, overcome, and train to get better. Making excuses and accepting this level of performance as OK does not allow for growth, change, or further advancement, all it does is maintains the same ole same ole!!

        • Who me?

          Don’t ya love how some can take a 6 minute video of a 5 hour incident and extrapolate it into “excuse making”?

        • Andy

          Excuses? How about reasons. How about not monday morning quarterbacking it from your computer based on a couple videos that show bits and pieces. This fire went offensive, defensive, offensive and then it went out. I have twenty three years in the fire sevice. Come on around Wilson, lets compare resumes sometime.

          • Wilson Says

            Well Andy in my 35 years of fire service experience with the last 20 as a chief officer I calling BS! I am sorry that you are soo thinned skined and can not take constructive critisim, it is hard to continue seeing Meatbeatin Yard Breathers who high five and talk shit about how they slayed the red devil on that one, when in reality all they did was take up space and waste good air. Don’t know you from Adam, don’t know if your a Meatbeatin Yard Breather or god’s gift to firefighter, nor do I care. I simply point out there were a whole lot of things that didnt go right and should be cause for one to take a closer review and thru critique and training maybe just maybe make some changes before the next fire occurs. Take this as an opprotunity to learn from your mistakes, hell you have lots of video evidence that will support a different position and makes for a heck of training class. No thats not what today’s fire service does, it stands up and beats their chest and talks shit about what a great job we did, and the fact that Everyone Goes Home… Oh except the Customer who has no home left to go to! I would think with you having 25 years of experience in the fire service you would know some of this stuff and would be a little more receptive to constructive critisim. I applogize if I trampled on your feelings and/or offended you.

      • The52nd

        Looking at the vids, I’m not seeing any 2 1/2″ lines. Did you ask for a big line to help you out? Were there any big lines in operation? A hole in the roof, and some horizontal ventilation would have helped with the visibility.

        • Andy

          This video is of the fire about 6 to 7 minutes after dispatch…..2 to 3 minutes at most after arrival. We arrive with 7 people, #8 and 9 got there during this clip and get to work on the 2 1/2″. Horizontal ventilation was being done during the video from the outside. What this video does not show is that the entire c side second floor is fully involved and free burning. It is being pushed back into the building by the wind gusts intermittently creating conditions inside like i described. I have no second line to protect the stairs, no two out at all at this point. No one is trapped in the building so with rapidly worsening conditions and fire coming from two opposite directions in the second floor hallway, this fire went defensive moments after this video.

      • 95%er

        Andy, thanks for the update. It looked like a punishing wind condition which made the fire into an unpredictable blowtorch.

        What the other posters are mentioning, perhaps not as diplomatically as could be done, is that these conditions and can and will happen. As long as you didn’t start the fire, the existing conditions are not your fault.

        The issue many have is that once you arrive and find those conditions, we need to react in a measured response that takes into account our knowledge of past fires in similar conditions and structures. There are a plethora of reports/articles on wind driven fires and how difficult they are to fight and how dangerous they are to firefighters.

        I think my fellow reviewers wish that these conditions had been properly evaluated and the need for immediate and large master streams would have been recognized by the IC. Your report solidifies the ineffectiveness of small handlines at a fire like this.

        The people who write here only want the best for your safety and survival. If you are a line firefighter or company officer, this is not your immediate concern upon arriving at an incident.

        But for many of us who are aware of these conditions and previous incidents like this which have injured and killed many firefighters, there were a number of indicators at this job which should have led to a different attack strategy.

        Now, was that diplomatic enough?

  • Wilson Says

    Needed some more “Meatbeating Yard Breathers” to fight this one! Wasting water spraying smoke, too many standing around chewing the fat and shaking hands missing kissing babies. But hey we looked cool with half our PPE on, hats on backwards, Tower Bucket sitting in neighbors front yard, yeah man we were Styling and Profing while kicking the Devils A$$! OUTSTANDING Fire Crews! Unbelieveable

  • Chief Dill

    This type of firefighting is why we have to purchase million dollar ladder trucks. The fire get’s extinguished after a fashion and then urban renewal kicks in. There are tools and tatics available to stop these fires but they aren’t as beautiful as those trucks. Good Luck Fire Service…..

  • Who me?

    @Wilson Says: I can say without conviction or doubt that Andy, the one you are accusing of being “thin skinned” is exactly the opposite. He’s a good, well-trained Brother, a good Union man and has been featured in Firehouse Magazine as a Heroism Award recipient for the rescue of an elderly man back in 2009. The men and women who work for this hybrid department is understaffed (2 man companies), and underfunded. The minimum manning is 10 for 3 engines, 1 truck and a shift commander across 4 platoons. It’s typical for small cities and towns in NY. Shoot, Garbage trucks have better manning around here than the FD’s.

  • Andy

    @ 95%…You are spot on. YOUR intelligent discussion is great in this setting and constructive. In hindsight a short defensive operation with a 2 1/2″ from the backyard right away would have allowed offensive to begin sooner than it ended up being resumed after the master streams. This fire was rapidly changing as we began operations but I still think with the info we had upon arrival and prior experience, an attempt at an interior attack with the intent to drive the fire out the back was warranted. Conditions did not allow that and we exited with out getting hurt. I can only speak for my action at this fire. I was not the OIC but we all learn at each fire and are better prepared for the next.
    Oh and on another subject, If you’ve been in the fire service 35 years and still refer to some of your brothers repeatedly as “meatbeatin yard breathers”, you’ve wasted most of that 35 years.

  • 95%er

    Here are 4 articles which should be required reading for all firefighters regarding wind driven conditions.

    Note how quickly interior conditions change and that ALL of these incidents occurred in busy fire areas with highly experienced crews.

    If it can happen to THEM, it can happen to YOU:

    http://www.citylimits.org/news/articles/4420/this-building-killed-1-firefighter-but-may-save-dozens#.UWblM1f_oS4

    http://www.nist.gov/fire/wdf.cfm

    http://www.firefighternation.com/article/news-2/wind-driven-fire-injures-seven-maryland-firefighters

    http://cfbt-us.com/wordpress/?p=260

  • BH

    Debate tip: if you have to use homophobic slurs, it doesn’t matter what your point is. You lost.

    • dave statter

      BH, Thanks for catching that. I totally missed it. I took the comment down.