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Pre-arrival video: House fire in Livingston, NJ with evacuation ordered.

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Video from REDVIDEO1 of a house fire on April 6 at 74 Hazel Avenue in Livingston, New Jersey. Evacuation ordered at 5:30 in the video.

Livingston Navigator:

Chief Mullin reported that interior firefighting crews attempted to gain access to the attic area of the home, but were hindered because of the location of the door and excessive storage in the area.


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  • http://www.facebook.com/TheTruckGoes Capt 45-2

    Are you kidding me??? Great place to spot the tower, secure that friggan pack, Thanks another horrible showing in N.J.

  • Anonymous

    This is why we wear seat belts. The officer on the Eng. could have very easily been thrown out of the cab if they were not wearing there’s. REMBER WE COME FIRST!!!!!

  • http://statter911 EAST COAST RETIRED

    Shocking, scary and another fine example of what makes untrained and non – disciplined volunteers look so very bad.This happens all across America, but here on the EAST COAST where so much presummed pride/tradition is supposed to exist, what has happened. I am convinced that all the media today certainly has brought a new prospective regarding th fire service career or volnteer.Lets critique this one:
    First off the Chief never did a 360′ or went to the CHARLIE SIDE,that is rear for those of you stillcaught in the 70′s.
    Then the engine had an opportunity to lay a line on the way in, they had a guy standing at it, my guess they were just going too fast. Now Chief flips up the parade cover to pull a supply line, who is in charge? Just asking, why you say well if things go horribly bad the lawyers will be asking why he did not assume COMMAND! Believe me even the families of the most dedictaed memebers will be suing, everyone and every manufacturer is draggged thru the mud.So back to the fire, they did not have to look for it, enough people came out of the engine, should someone have taken a hook and just opened up while having a charged line in place the outcome would have been much different I do think. Then the truck (LADDER) company arrives, 2 people of the roof, over the fire whar were they thinking? Moments later they abandoned the structure.
    If they do have a critique, watch this video and be really transparent about their actions will they change the way they operate? Oh yeah I live here on the EAST COAST, volunteeredthen career and back to volunteering so yes I get it, but sometimes people must take a look inside and decide if they do need some operational training?

    • Fire21

      The video did a break before the engine arrived; we don’t know if the chief did a 360 or not. We did see the chief talking on the radio, maybe giving assignments. The hydrant was plenty close enough to hand-stretch back with one person. Yes, the chief did flip the bed cover, but again a video break doesn’t allow us to see if he or someone else pulled to the hydrant. I’m not saying you’re wrong on pulling the ceiling (typical ops in this type of fire), but the write-up does say “excessive storage in the area”…Hoarders? It looks to me like the roof crew did get an opening made. Some commenters here would say go above the fire and open it up; others would say don’t go above the fire. Seems to be whatever the operating department procedures are.

      I think there were too many breaks in the video to really tell what was being done most of the time. I’m neither condemning nor approving what they did. I’m saying I personally didn’t see enough continuous footage to draw many conclusions.

  • CHAOS

    Well, on the good side, manpower wasn’t a problem.

    Otherwise:
    Nice driveway stroll size-up by first officer.
    Poor apparatus placement.
    Always nice to see a truck officer completely unprepared to go to work arriving at a confirmed working fire.
    Took a bit to start throwing ladders, especially with all that manpower guarding the front lawn. Putting a tarp out on the lawn before throwing ladders?? Priceless.

  • My Mom

    Piss poor Practice = Piss poor Performance.

  • The52nd

    There is a lot this video doesn’t show, and questions to be answered. I, too, question the decision not to drop a feeder, and the chief getting involved. The engine had a lot of help, but they sure moved slow. Unfortunately, sometimes things can be done right, and still go wrong. In this case, according to the write up, the engine stretched to the second floor but couldn’t find the entrance to the attic, and encountered lots of clutter. I’ve been there, and it sucks. Sure, one could open the second floor ceiling, but if he attic has a floor it does no good. I’ve got no issue with opening the roof above the fire. That’s where you’re supposed to open it. It’s nothing new. In fact, I’d have liked to have seen the truck positioned better to get a shot at the roof. Perhaps a couple more holes in the roof to vent the fire better would have bought more time to find attic access, and the outcome would have been different. But who know?

  • Steve

    I agree this was a horrible version of the old TV show Emergency, but there is NO way to know if the initial chief did a 360, he could have and it was not caught on film.

  • Anonymous

    I liked the truck officer climbing out of the cab with his pants falling down…

  • chief 511

    This is what happens when T-Shirt Firemen have a real fire they must work. Sad.

  • Paul

    hmm its easy to armchair quarterback but I saw so many things wrong with this video. I was SURPRISED they even went on the roof and whats the deal with someone up there with no helmet or flash hood??? (guy trying to start the chainsaw).

  • 35 year vollie

    1st I must that the person taking the video.
    2nd This video will make a tremendous tool for my next training session as it shows exactly what one should not do.
    Command failed to do a proper size up (36) of the structure
    The driver got and on board officer had tunnel vision and failed to hit the hydrant even with a FF standing next to the plus. (unforgivable error). Even after the engine stops no priority is given to a water supply.
    The truck was blocked from using the driveway. With the wires one can see command would of wanted the truck closer so the main could be used.
    No one bothered to ladder the structure properly in a timely manner. Yes the edits show the real time was longer than the video shows.
    2nd division and roof should have been laddered.
    No one makes an attempt to vent the structure until after it starts self-venting. Again roof laddering is a must from separate points.
    Obviously the white coat on scene is not qualified to command.

  • jon

    the officer staggering down out of the ladder truck with his suspenders off and pants coming down kinda sets the tone for the entire incident. what a clown.

  • Steve in NJ

    Looks like they had two interior lines in service on the interior making some progress and then BAM blow the horns. Not sure why. Of course the guys on the roof couldn’t get the saw to start. Fundamentals. Make sure the saw starts before you go to the roof. Wonder how often it gets checked. Ours gets started every morning. Volunteer dept I would say minimum of once a week and definitely on the ground before going to the roof. Anyhow, this is an older style construction probably from the 70′s so highly doubtful that there was any lightweight truss so you have much longer interor time without having to worry about collapse. Though there is a strong probablility of attic storage that could have increased the fire load and weight). In that case many of these older homes have plywood layed down in the attic to facilitate storage. This makes it almost impossible to pull ceilings from the second floor and get to the seat o the fire. Many good points were made by EAST COAST RETIRED. I am also career in NJ and former volunteer but I think some credit needs to be extended for at least attempting an iterior attack. I do wholeheartedly agree that the apparatus staging and lack of hitting the hydrant on the way in are areas in need of immediate improvement

  • KyleK

    Good Golly! I have NEVER seen so many firefighters (???) get out of one engine…and get so little done. Based on the A/D-side view, it appeared to be getting well established in the attic ( I am admittedly unfamiliar with residential occupancies in NJ);however, I saw no indicators of wide-spread attic involvement on arrival of first-in engine and truck. This one seemed like a bread-and-butter attic fire!

    OK, I am not going to turn this into a bitch session; how could we (the global, fire service “we”) have improved on this operation:

    First-in chief (I assume the white helmet, but getting on the tailboard gave me pause): give initial size-up; take IC; if mobile, perform 360 of structure; give incoming units initial assignments based on tactical priorities i.e. rescue, incident stabilization, property conservation; proactively manage the operation.

    First-in engine assignment: lay a supply line (smoke showing); engine officer will assume interior (division) and operate to locate, confine, and extinguish the fire; complete a primary search; request additional resources as needed.

    First-in truck assignment: secure utilities; truck officer will assume ventilation (group); ladder building (A/B corner would my first choice); access roof and coordinate vertical ventilation with interior division; when complete, exit roof and request new assignment (perhaps salvage).

    Additional assignments: RIC/Acountability; Back-up interior; Salvage (ground floor at least).

    It looked like they had more than enough bodies to get most of these important things done in a timely manner.

    In my experience (west coast, career, ICS since day one), if you quickly get on these fires with a bunch of hard work (hooks and handlines), you can usually stop them; however, a delay in engaging the fire and they can definitely get away from you. Been there, done that too!

    One more comment on the value of the 360° size-up/walkaround: if you have not seen this helmet cam video of Sac City FD, it is a poignant reminder of the value of a complete size-up. Someone has to do this!

  • Bulldog

    Liked the Mack.

  • Tree

    White hat doesn’t necessarily mean IC. Note the white hat packing up, apparently headed in the front door.

    For all we know, the IC arrived before the cameraman, did his 360, then went back to his vehicle and ran the incident from there.

    With all the breaks in the video, single point of view, and lack of radio audio, we can criticize individual actions, but overall, we can’t critique the event.

  • Anonymous

    Vent, vent , vent the roof guys! On this fire its a priority and coordinate with the interior attack.

  • Anonymous

    Livingston is a combination department

    • Anonymous

      Livingston is all volunteer with a paid chief and assistant chief. All FF’s are volunteer!!

  • ShamrockCapt

    My newest pet peeve is a PASS device going off and everyone, including the IC, is oblivious to it. That is one of the two or three most annoying sounds on Earth for a reason. If we are going to ignore it why even bother having them? If you’re at a fire and aren’t moving around enough to keep it from activating you need help or you need to quit wearing an SCBA.