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Early video: Two alarm commercial/residential fire on Staten Island.

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Video by PrinceStylez05 of a fire yesterday in Port Richmon on State Island.

Eddie DAnna, SILive.com:

More than 100 firefighters — some shooting hoses from elevated buckets — battled a quick-spreading fire in a three-story building in Port Richmond Thursday evening. 

The blaze erupted at 340 Heberton Ave. at approximately 5:13 p.m., according to a spokeswoman for the Fire Department.

The building houses Sin Fronteras Deli Grocery on the bottom level, with two floors of  apartments above. The fire appears to have begun on the second floor of the structure, according to the FDNY spokeswoman.

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  • John

    Let the, “they should have used a 2 1/2,” comments begin. And yet that 1 1/2 put out a ton for fire. Just have to be willing to go in and dig it out.

    • NJ FF

      That was a 2 1/2 .

  • stajo

    Aggressive Interior Attack: FDNY Rocks da’ Fire !
    God Bless The Brave & Dedicated Members of The
    Worlds Greatest Fire Dept. The FDNY !

  • Anonymous

    amazing how much fire a 1 1/2″ line with a straight bore nozzle will put out

    • BH

      1) FDNY doesn’t use 1.5″

      2) That was a 2.5″ line.

    • Mark too

      I’m pretty sure that FDNY is using 1 3/4″ small landlines.

      Additionally, the smooth bore nozzle on hand lines really isn’t that big of a factor in terms of ability to extinguish a fire using a direct attack. The GPMs being applied is a much more important factor than nozzle selection. 180 GPM from a “fog nozzle” on straight stream will put out the same amount of fire as 180 GPM from a 15/16″ smooth bore nozzle.

      • Truckie88

        But the pressure on a line with smooth bore is much lower so its easier to handle. Those fog nozzles need min. 100 psi

        • Mark too

          You should stop by the nozzle store more often. The various nozzle manufacturers have been offering a variety of “low pressure” fog nozzles for many years now – typically 50 and 75 psi models.

      • slackjawedyokel

        I disagree -a smooth bore and a straight stream from a combo nozzle are not the same animal. Different size droplets. Think throwing a handful of powdered sugar (confectionary) and a handful of plain (granulated) sugar into a fan.
        Even though they both are straight streams , one will flash to steam a lot faster. (some times a good thing) -but trying to hit deep into a seat of the fire, it is no contest.

        • Mark too

          They are not as different as you are inferring with the sugar example.

          We could debate how different they are or aren’t or the specific advantages of both nozzle types for specific fire suppression situations, however there’s really no need to.

          My primary point is still very much valid regardless. In terms of how much fire a single line can put out, the rate of application has far more influence than whether the water came out of a smooth bore nozzle or out of a fog nozzle as a straight stream.

          • slackjawedyokel

            I still disagree, in my opinion/experience the smaller droplets “flash” and don’t have enough water left to provide the necessary GPMs to hit the seat of the fire. And we also use a 50 psi combo tip and a 15/16″ smooth bore on our preconnects -It gives you a choice and simplifies pump ops.

        • Mark too

          That’s fine. However, for the small handlines, my experience has been that any differences in performance between a smooth bore and a straight stream flowing the same volume of water under our typical conditions has not been as significant as what is being portrayed here.

  • CHAOS

    Can’t wait for the FDNY slammers to comment on this one. LOL

    Strong work, troops!!

  • Brian Haggerty

    Nothing but balls to the walls for these boys. What a great job. Many would have not made the aggressive attack these FFs performed. Great Job.

    • Anonymous

      Many don’t have the manpower and companies close by to do what FDNY does.

  • Bob Sanborn

    Mark too….really?

    • Mark too

      Really what?

  • cbj

    FDNY uses 1.75″ and is now using 2″ hose as well, however this is a 2.5″ and I am confident there isn’t an officer in that department that would even think of pulling anything less on such an amount of fire with sever exposure problems. It is absurd for anyone with an understanding of simple firefighting tactics and fire behavior to suggest that it would be appropriate for an undersize handline to be used. The object is to contain and control the fire, slow it’s progress and then extinguish. Regardless of how “aggressive” we are it’s a simple reality that the gpm is what dos the job. You may be the most aggressive JAKE in the Sate but when your out-gunned, your not going to do the job regardless of how fast you move or hard you push. The best engine company training have experienced was given by FDNY personnel who understand this concept, practice it, and teach it very well. Especially when it comes to stretching and advancing the 2.5″. Anyone who states that the “big line” is too “heavy” or “hard to advance” etc changes their view when taught some simple techniques that traditional firefighter training does not address. Regardless, for those who still advocate the use of the 1.75″ on fire of this magnitude I say go with it. I dont worry about it, it wont be done where I live and work.

    • Anonymous

      well said

    • Fedup

      When did the FDNY start using 2in hose?

      • Mark too

        As I understand it, they are/were doing an evaluation of the 2″ inch hose. Only a handful of companies were using it. Not sure in what capacity they were looking at it.

  • JustSayin’

    LOL

    WOW.!!! The KIC Junior Varsity Cheerleader Squad
    has risen to an unusual frenzy as the NYFD puts out
    a fire without sending members to hospital or morgue.

    And I’m as impresses as the rest of the world. (yawn)

    But Really.. It’s just a well involved fire on the EXTERIOR PORCH.
    (Position the fire attack between the unburnt and burning then extinguish.)

    Sorry Ladies … This fire attack is nothing special.

    That being said, the NYFD not having to call a 2nd alarm EMS
    for “members down” is commendable…

    • CHAOS

      I can’t understand why they haven’t contracted with you to come in and fix them. I’d love to watch you in action.
      Get your prescription checked, that fire rolling out the windows onto the EXTERIOR PORCH sure seems to indicate perhaps a bit more than just the porch burning. Also, feel free to ignore the fire running the length of the roof.

      BTW, you forgot to mention pump & roll bumper turrets with ColdFire.

      • Mack Seagrave

        Ya ever notice that ‘JustSayin’ NEVER mentions where he / she is a firefighter or even if he / she is a firefighter. This poor soul brings nothing to the table other than his / her clueless bashing of the F.D.N.Y.. Great job by the Brothers of the F.D.N.Y..

        • JustSayin’

          HEY..

          I Complemented the NYFD
          for not killing, maiming, hurting anyone on THIS fire…

          Yet, here come the nasty old sisters off their porch…

          WHAT.??!! Your Cheerleader Panties too tight.??

          As a Fireman with 40+ years on the job
          I have an opinion that may not square with yours.
          Well Ladies, TOUGH.!!!

          It seems I was more fortunate than you NYFD sisters.
          Early in my career, I was encouraged to not to drink the
          “I’m-so-Cool-Aid” of any bloviating, featherbedding FD which
          produces 1950′s FF’s who’s identity is based solely on “tradition”.

          Thus, I was not issued a set of pom-poms.
          THANK GOODNESS.!!!

          Well, my vacation has come to an end…. duty calls.
          I’ve enjoyed my time on the “blog about nothing”.
          See ya all in the funny papers.!!

          • Mack Seagrave

            Still no mention of what fire department to allegedly are a member of.

    • Anonymous

      Thankfully some “firefighters” still have common sense, luckily your one of them.

  • Anonymous

    Mark too;
    The fixed gallon fog nozzles operate at 50 psi also, and also flow 180 gpm.

    • Mark too

      Right and that’s exactly one of the points I was making.

  • Fire21

    When’s the last time you saw the wind work WITH the firefighters???

  • FireGears

    MY MAN,

    CHAOS-Between-The-Ears

    THANKS for letting me live in your head rent free
    and remembering how overwhelming effective a deck gun attack
    with a fire extinguishing additive (like Cold-Fire)
    would have been on this fire.

    • CHAOS

      Exactly how many personalities are running around inside your head??

  • Bob Sanborn

    Mark too…sorry for the short reply. A direct attack can also be directed into the ceiling area and allow for the stream to be deflected into the seat of the fire. My point is that the parking lot nozzle/fire stream studies have produced some great empirical data that backs up your statement 100%. However, when the application process involves punching through fire/wind or deflecting large droplets of water into the seat…sorry, I’ll take the smooth bore ( minus the pistol grip) over the other nozzles any day of the week..Just my opinion…and (lol) a smooth bore junkie. Oh…kudos to the FDNY guys on that attack.

    • Mark too

      Deflecting the stream off the ceiling area and onto the fire is not a direct attack. A direct attack is when water is applied directly onto the fire without being deflected off other objects, unless the definition has been changed.

      Yes, there are times when a smooth bore will be a better choice, just as there will be times when a non-smooth bore nozzle will be the better choice.

      While it’s debatable whether the extinguishing power of one nozzle type is clearly superior to the other, nobody commenting seems to be disagreeing with my main point that rate of application has more of an impact than which nozzle you apply it with.

      Although not quite a junkie, I am partial to the smooth bore too.

  • cbj

    Rate of application is of greatest importance. So is actually flow testing your apparatus/hose/nozzles. Calculations are just that. I will never understand the reasoning behind those here who argue that a flow rate of 180gpm (and it is usually less, sometimes FAR less when you finally do flow test)or 150gpm is somehow justifiable for large body of fire with exposures. As for the 2″ some companies are using in conjunction with 2.5″ as “leader lines’ in stand-pipe applications. Chicago did tests as well. Regardless of that, it always amazes me to see apparatus with a bed of 2.5″ and nobody touches it. As for the great nozzle debate, it makes more sense to me when using the big line to use a smooth bore with 50psi “tip” pressure over a 100psi combo. Yes, keep those pistol grips. It only restricts the range of motion for those who don’t know how to handle the nozzle. Both combo and solid bore have their place, especially with the 75psi combo’s out there. The best engine companies are those with options, and with officers who train and practice on the options, who’s crew knows how and when to use these options. From 1.75″ (even booster lines) to the deck gun, to the portable master stream, and everything in between…there is a time an place! Learn it, teach, use it. If all your used to is the one line fits all approach, your cheating your customers.