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Raw video & radio traffic: FDNY 3rd alarm duplex fire in Brooklyn.

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Video and fireground audio above from NYRRT84 of a three-alarm fire early this morning in Brooklyn. Here’s the description with the video:

9/9/2013 Brooklyn: 3rd Alarm Box 2715 71 & 73 Dahlgren Pl. Fire was in a 2 story 20×40 with extension to the exposure.

The video below by mattockland captures a collapse of part of the structure.

WABC-TV:

The fire started around 1:30 a.m. at 1 Dahlgren Place, a duplex with two families living side by side, in the Bay Ridge section.

The flames broke out on the second floor and quickly spread.

At least two firefighters suffered minor injuries.

A freelance photographer who lives behind the building first pounded on neighbors’ doors to alert them to leave their homes, then shot video of the fire.

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  • Mark

    What’s a “Schoffa”?

    • LongAgo39Vol

      not sure if serious question but will answer just in case…I’m from Staten Island so I speak fluent “New Yawk”…

      “Schoffa” = cheauffeur, which is what the FDNY calls their apparatus driver/operators

  • wondering

    My comments are NOT meant to cause any difficulty!!! With the recent NIST/UL Testing of SFD attack and vent. operations we are now back to placing an engine co. in front of the dwelling for blitz/wagon pipe hits.(gain control of the building) The trucks are now going to the corners of the sites. Again, I am NOT faulting any operations here, just asking the above and the following. Perhaps I am reading too deep into the tactics,but 75′ trucks may be in trouble. This may effect in some small way the rescue of folks from the # 3 floor. I am trying to say we MAY need to change our approach to FG ops. if we do business the new way.I am open for good discussion on the subject .

    • Fire21

      I think those are excellent questions. Each scene needs it’s individual size-up. No “one size fits all” is ever going to work. First-arriving officers need to analyze what’s happening and where apparatus and manpower will be most effectively utilized. If rescues are needed, the truck should probably be set up in front, but again, that depends on where in the building it’s happening. If the rescues are on the side, then set the truck there. If no rescues are needed, and fire attack is critical, then maybe give the engine the address for deck gun use. Of course, this all depends on the involvement of the building. As I said, there is no cast-in-concrete rule that says we must do everything the same way all the time. That’s where decision-making comes into play.

  • FLFF

    Did I miss something, here?

  • 95%er

    I also thought about the NIST/UL tests as I watched the top floor and rear of these homes burn.

    SFD or attached dwellings offer some unique tactical disadvantages that even the FDNY can’t overcome. Lots of combustible material accessible through very small and tight spaces and stairs lead to long delays in getting water on to the fire floor. While the crews are battling the tight stairs and even smaller landing on the fire floor, the fire is burning up and out.

    The video clearly documents how difficult it is to conduct an interior attack within these tight spaces. The fire is going pretty much unchecked and doesn’t really care that the FDNY is there.

    These same strategies and tactics that work exceedingly well on multiple dwellings and commercial structures fall flat in single family dwellings.

    I am reading more and seeing more and really wonder if the ability to knock down the fire from the outside before sending the crews inside would not have made a huge difference in fires like this.

    The DC recognizes the problem, but it takes a long time to pull and account for the interior companies before the tower ladder goes to work. All this time the fire is burning unchecked. I would assume from the video that the companies on the top floor were pretty much pinned down by fire and couldn’t move enough to get water into any other rooms.

    Would an exterior deck gun/handline or tower ladder stream have knocked this fire in half the time or less?

    • dave statter

      On your point, the TV reporter did say there were Collyer’s Mansion type conditions (but never explained what that is to her viewing audience). I did not see that reported elsewhere.

  • mm

    Collyers Mansion is a term used in New York to describe alot of debris in the apt or house google Collyers brothers and you will get a better understanding what the term means

    • dave statter

      I am very aware. My point is that the reporter mentioned it without explaining the term.

  • Art of Fire

    Wondering,

    Please show me where in the recent NIST/UL studies where it says that the engine should be in front of the building and the trucks at the corners?

    This is one of the risks with these studies; people pass along information that is clearly never discussed.